1131
As outlined above, Godebert of Flanders, was deemed to be a
"Fleming" who settled in Roch Parish, Wales and was granted lands previously
owned by Lambert Echiners (now Lambton) in Pembroke(shire). While purportedly of
Flemish descent, the family is supposed to have adopted the style of their Norman allies.
Godebert's overlords were the de Pendergasts, also from Flanders. Both Roche (Rhoose/Ros) and Pendergast are placenames in Wales. And both, in turn were under the de Clares. If the de Clares were Norman, I see no evidence that either family, both entirely respectable, adopted anything from them - because they were anything but respectable in Wales or Ireland.
Land in medieval times was held in return for
"knight's fees" - ownership was reserved in the King. An
occupier of the King's land had in return for the right to enjoy his
estates to provide fighting men on demand to his monarch or overlord. As in many other matters, the Brehon
or Gaelic traditions were somewhat different, and it often begged the question of where one's loyalty lay or should lie, if one were to survive. Over time, some went one way, others another and some tried to straddle the fence.
Later efforts by the Roches in North Cork to
link themselves to de Rochville who came with the Conqueror in AD 1066 to
England (Roll of Battle Abbey) remain in doubt. De Rochville was granted a
lordship in Pembrokeshire, but any suggested link to Godebert is tenuous.
Even the Fermoy Roches, at least until the Viscounts were eliminated, must settle for being
of the family deemed "Flemish" in origin and abandon any further pretension. To my mind, preceding or following in the wake of the Conquest will suffice.
1154: Henry II 1154-1189 (first Angevin) - ascended the English Throne.
The same year Adrian IV, (Nicholas Breakspeare, an Englishman) ascended the Papal Throne.
1155: A Papal Bull to Conquer Ireland was sent to Henry via John of Salisbury;
it was considered by Parliament at Winchester and set aside.
1167
Richard FitzGodebert de Roch, Knight, accompanied Dermot McMurrough to
Ireland from Pembrokeshire, Wales - an advance party for the later much
larger invasion in 1169. Richard was in command of a number of Norman,
Flemish and Welsh mercenaries who tasted defeat (25 men killed) by the
O'Rourkes and O'Connors at Kellistown near Carlowtown.
1169
Rodbert FitzGodebert de Roch, Richard's brother, and others in the
extended family, took part in the full-scale landing at Bannow Bay
under their overlord, Maurice de Prendergast, and expedition leader, Robert FitzStephen.
Rodbert would gain a large estate in south Wexford (after the fall of the
town that year) for his trouble.
1170-72
de Rochs continued to participate actively in many
aspects of the Cambro-Norman Invasion. By 1171, Strongbow, Earl of
Pembroke, was in control of vast territories including Dublin, Waterford
and Wexford and had granted tracts of land to his supporters (provided
they could take them from the current owners).
1171: Armed with a second Papal Bull by Alexander III - Henry II arrives in Ireland austensibly to do penance for the murder of Archbishop Thomas a Beckett;
In fact, his mission was to keep Strongbow under control; de Clare submitted (as did all major Irish Clerics). The de Clares were granted Leinster, but enough was taken and reassigned to more loyal retainers that Henry felt he had eliminated the possibility of another Norman Kingdom might challenge his hegemony. Away he went, never to return.
1172
Rodbert's Fitz Godebert's three sons - David, Henry and Adam - accepted
the spelling de Roch in Old French or Saxon and de Rupe/de Rupella in Latin [de Roch/de la Roche] as appears on a
charter by which they gave the Island of Begerin in Wexford Harbour,
with a Chapel already built - St. Nicholas Exeter - to the Roman
Catholic Church for the soul of their father Rodebert, son of
Godebert. Maurice de Prendergast was one of many witnesses to the
document.
Richard I [1189-99] and John [1199-1216]
1199
Adam de Roch founded Pill Priory in Pembrokeshire [date disputed]. His wife was
Blandina, and they had a son Adam and one named David (for his brother).
He gave considerable lands to the Church before his death. I am much pleased that this Priory was placed on a new (de nova) site, as opposed to a Brehan one being destroyed first. It was also dedicated to the Virgin and a Celtic Saint, Budoc. It was the first such institution that accepted Welshmen for admission to the Order. All of this seems incredibly "enlightened" for the times.
David de Rupe (de Roch) received a King's grant of Rosselihir (now
Rosslare), Co Wexford. Another name Eustace de Rupe appears in charters
and land grants in this post-invasion period - no more is known of him.
Anglo-Norman, William de la Roche, had lands and reputation on both the
English and French sides of the Channel and figured largely in the
politics of the day. In 1199, during a minor siege at Châlus in
Limousin, RICHARD I, KING OF ENGLAND, was killed by a crossbow bolt and
died there intestate 6 April 1199. He was buried at Fontevrault Abbey
(Maine-et-Loire), France.
In 1204 his widow, Bérengère,
ceded all her rights to the Chateau-du-Loir to Guillaume des Roches
[William de la Roche] (1165-1222), in exchange of the ville of le Mans,
its dependencies and 1,000 marks sterling. William was thus Seneschal of
Anjou from AD 1199 to 1222 and Lord of Longue-Jumelle and Château-du-loir.
During King John's reign, he was deemed one of the ablest and most
powerful of the Angevin barons and was Seneschal (King's representative)
in Anjou and Touraine.
NOTE: There was considerable movement between England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, and most notably, the continent, at this time for military purposes - land was held by Knight's Fees under the Feudal system. If you held a land grant, you
had to provide men to fight at the pleasure of the Crown.
Roch Castle
remained in our hands until the last of us, Thomas, died early in the
1400s leaving only two daughters. One married Lord Ferrers of Chartley
and the other Sir George Longuevill of Wolverton. Ultimately by about
1600, the property was in the hands of the Earls of Essex by descent
from the Ferrers and Longuevilles.
In 1601, it was purchased by William
Walter of Essex who lost possession in the Cromwellian Civil War
(1640s). He died without recompense and the castle sank into decay for some time
thereafter. However, it should be noted that the family spent most of its time at Benton Castle, when it was not at Pill. We know for certain that some are in fact buried at Pill as well.
1200s
1206- Peter
de la Roch(e), Peter de RUPIBUS [Pierre des ROCHES], Bishop of
Winchester, 1206-38 was from Poitou. Consecrated in Rome, he was a
true warrior cleric whose oppressions and exactions were among the
causes of the uprisings by some nobles. In 1214, after John's
submission to the Pope, and while the barons were preparing for the
struggle which ended in the Great Charter (Magna Carta), he was made
Grand Justiciary of England. In
1226, Peter, together with William Brewer, Bishop of Exeter, led
Crusaders from England to the Holy Land. Upon his return after five
years, he almost provoked rebellion by his patronage of foreigners, his
countrymen (Poitevins), giving them the chief Offices of State and Royal
revenues. His relationship with William Mareschal, of such fine
reputation in England and Ireland, was based on their protection of the
boy - King, Henry III. Peter had crowned young Henry, aged nine and
worked closely with Mareschal, who acted as regent, and later
(unwillingly) with famous Justiciary, Hubert de Burgh, to protect the
child and his Norman dynasty for many years. 1207
David de Rupe (the first to take the name de la Roche) was granted
the cantred of Rosscarberry (Ross) by King John. This superceded the claims of native chief O'Driscoll, but the
Episcopal manors were
left undisturbed. Within a hundred years, the value of the bishop's
mensa was 26 marks, while the cathedral was valued at 3 marks; and the
tribal revenue of the see was but 45 pounds sterling. The number of
parishes was 29, divided into 3 divisions; and there was a Cistercian
abbey, Carrigilihy (de fonte vivo) plus a Benedictine Priory at St.
Mary's, Ross.
David was closely associated with the famous Sir William Mareschal, who
later acted as regent for the young Henry III until he reached maturity.
About this time, David divided Shelmalier East between himself and kinsman
David FitzAdam Sinad (Sinnott), also of Flemish descent.
1212
Alexander FitzHugh founded Bridgetown Abbey in north Cork which
later came under the protection of the Roches and remained intimately
connected with the Roches of Fermoy for centuries.
Henry III 1216-72 (the first
Plantagenet)
1229
David de Rupe died (maybe shortly before) and is succeeded by his
second son, the "warlike" Gerald, his first, Reimund, being
already dead. Reimund had two daughters, and by Gaelic custom and
law at that time, they could not inherit their father's estate. Gerald
inherited and they sued their uncle before the court of William Mareschal, Earl of Pembroke, but failed. Gerald had married a daughter of Sir Thomas FitzAnthony. At about the same time he gained her
father's lands at death, he was considered Thomas' sole male heir.
c. 1240
One story that just does not seem to make much sense is that of Sir Alexander Roche of Artramont, who, after the
one of the Crusades, supposedly returned to find his beloved in a convent because of
rumours he had been killed in battle.
On the parish website to this day (2009) is the following: Selskar Abbey is remarkable as the spot where the first Treaty was signed with the English in 1169 when the town of Wexford surrendered to Fitz-Stephen [I must insert here that there were NO English present to sign anything --- Cambro-Normans, Flemish, Welsh and Irish yes; English NO!]. This originally Danish foundation was later endowed, enlarged and given to the Canons Regular of St. Augustine in AD 1190 by Sir Alexander Roche of Artramont.
Sir Alexander became enamoured of a beautiful girl, the daughter of a poor burgess of the town.To prevent his marriage his parents prevailed on him to join the Crusades, then on foot, for the recovery of the Holy Sepulchre. On his return from Palestine, he found himself free, his parents having died, but on visiting the dwelling of his fair lady he discovered, that having heard he had died in battle, she had entered a convent. He himself took avow of Celibacy, endowed the Monastery, dedicated it to the Holy Sepulchre, relics of which he had placed in its Church, and became its first Prior. {Yet it sems he did have legitimate heirs].
Selskar Abbey was suppressed in the thirty-first year of the reign of Henry VIII, but not destroyed. Cromwell finally destroyed it in AD 1649. The present Abbey Church (Protestant) was built in AD 1818 on the east side of the ancient tower-the ruins of the original Abbey Church being to the west. Out-Churches of Selskar Abbey were St.Patrick's and St.Doologue's.
Other sources add a little more and somewhat varied information:
The name in Danish means Seal's Rock, as in Selskar Rock in Bannow Bay, site of the main
Invasion (make that landing) in AD 1169. The existing tower is 14th century; surviving parts of the nave are 15th; and the church you see today dates from the 19th.
As usual, there
is confusion and debate surrounding the date/s; the third and
fourth Crusades were much earlier. Thus, the date is wrong or he did not
immediately act as a result of a lover having taken to the convent, but
waited some time (into old age in fact) to act. The latter would be more
consistent with Norman tradition (if less romantic); they often betook themselves to an Abbey to live out their final days/years after their active lives were at an end. I will not declare for one version over the others, however.
1250
David Roche (Louth) killed Cairbre
O'Maclsechlainn in Athboye in the territory of ffearkeall (located in
Meath?).
1251
John de Roch was Earl of Pembrokeshire. His wife Matilda was the
niece of Thomas Wallensis, Bishop of St. David's (a Carew).
1255
The Roches and Pendergasts, with others,
under Maurice Fitzgerald (Justiciar), attacked Connacht. The sacristy of
Boyle Abbey was looted. They went into Connemara and up the west coast of
Connacht, plundering and ravaging as they went. They passed through
modern Cos Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim with special attention to lands
under O'Donnell. Ironically, these descendents of Welsh and Flemish mercenaries ultimately "went native" having begun the task of
dotting the conquered territories with castles.
1261
Sir Richard de Rupella [de la Roche] Roche, father of Alexander of
Selskar Abbey, was Lord Justice of Ireland (Journal of the Old Wexford Society,
November 2, 1969). He also had at least one other heir, daughter Eve, to whom he gave (or bequeathed) Trembleath Manor which contained Restormel Castle (built circa AD 1100) to her in AD1255. This is where things become very interesting and mysterious because that Manor and Castle were and are in Cornwall, UK and according to the sources quoted on our history page was descended from the Irish Branch. The Archivium Hibernicum, 1960, V. 23-27 states in fact that the Roaches in Cornwall and Devon are descended from the Roche family of Ireland, the same family present in Wales likely before 1100 AD.
Sir Ralph Arundell, son of Remfrey Arundell, was by AD 1259-60 Sheriff of Cornwall, and he took possession of Restormel in AD 1265. However, as Sir William Arundell had married Eve de la Roche (de Rupe) AD 1245 and they were endowed (as noted above) Trembleath Manor by Eve's forebear, Sir Richard de la Roche (de Rupe), AD 1255. Therefore, at least part of this estate passed by marriage to the Arundells.
Trembleath became the Arundell family's principal residence in the later thirteenth and the fourteenth centuries; they also purchased Mitchell Manor. Richard de la Roche was still alive in AD 1262 (Feet of Fines 183), and his widow Agnes still alive in 1283 (AR/45)....clearly a descendant of the original family group/s - but no doubt of the same line because of the use of recurring names.
A Rodebert de la Roche, son and heir of Sir Richard and brother of Eve, was knighted between AD1262 and 1283 (AR/1/72 and AR/45), and was still alive c AD 1300 (AR/1/100). Here again a repeat of the non-Norman spelling of the name.
The Roche family was sometimes called "Tremoddrett," based on their residence at Tremoddrett in Roch(e) Parish, Cornwall - some distance from Roche's Rock at St. Austelle and from Trembleath. There they remained until they moved to Lanherne.
The estate also had permanent freehold tenants who sold in the late 18th century; with the remainder of the manor going by sale to Francis Cross of Crediton, Devon in the early 19th century.
The Arundells, of course, can be traced back to the Sir David de la Roche of Llangwm who married one of the de Roch females from Pembroke, Wales. They later fled to England, and the de la Roche name died out there because of having only female heirs - but yes one married into the Arundell family. Clearly because of the close family tie between the Welsh and English plus Irish families through the female line, Arundel seized the opportunity to capitalize [More on our Family History page.].
1262
Gerald de Rupe, "the third best knight in Ireland", is
killed in battle at Tuarain Chormaic near Mangartach of Loch Lein - one
of the lakes of Killarney. He was in an army (under McWilliam Burke)
invading McCarthy territory. Cormac, son of McCarthy, was also killed
- there were heavy losses on both sides.
Aedh O'Connor, King of Connacht,
defeats the Normans at Athankip.
-
Norman expansion enters into serious decline (1270); yet in 1278, Irish Lords offered 8,000 marks to come under the "protection" of English Law - refused by Prelates and Nobles.
Note:
England did not gain complete control of Ireland until c. 1650
1270
John Roch, chantor of Lismore,
is Oblate Bishop, Diocese of Lismore.
Sir Edmund Butler, Justiciar and Governor of Ireland, Knight, b
abt. 1276, Kilkenny Castle, Kildare, Ireland, d. 13 Sep 1321, London, m.
Joan Fitz Gerald abt 1302, daughter of Sir John Fitz Thomas Fitz
Gerald, Earl of Kildare, Lord of Offaly, and Blanche de la Roche.
Note: Modern Killavullen
and Annakissa, the former including most of the Mediaeval or Civil
parishes of Carrig and Monanimy and the latter Clenor and Wallstown-Ballygriggin, sit astride the River Blackwater in North Cork. A
story that perfectly makes the point about the transition between the
Cambro-Norman "Invasion" and English control of Ireland - and
the difference between the two - features the Wall and Roche
families.
The Wall family came to
the area about 1270 as subjects of Lord of Fermoy who lived at Castletownroche.
They remained in possession of the estate until 1642, when, like most of the "Old Normans", they
fought for the Loyalist cause in the Parliamentary Wars. Sir William St.
Leger, writing to the Lord Commissioners, 30th May, 1642 states that Lord
Inchiquin and Captain Jephson, two young men highly commendable for their
courage and judgment, with their troops and two foot company's (sent to
divert Lord Roche fell upon a castle belonging to one Wall, a freeholder of
that county and a good estate.
With the loss of three
men, albeit the place of good strength and much repaired, they used fire
and force, putting the defenders, about 70 in number, either to the sword
or halter. The 'Principal' was Richard Wall who died in Cork prison soon
afterwards. In depositions in 1653, regarding his involvement in the siege
of Wallstown Castle, he was already dead.
His son William, a minor,
attempted to maintain possession, but it was granted to a Parliamentary
officer, Capt. Andrew Ruddock (whose family grave is still to be seen in
the little church near the Castle). One James Wall tried to recover this
estate in 1690, and also the portion of Robert Wall's of Doonevally (The
Fort of the Walls), contiguous with his own property, but his efforts were
frustrated by the defeat of James II at the Boyne. Thus
the Roches became an object lesson to those who tried to remain loyal to
Pope and King, Church and State when both are in opposition. It's can't be
done!
Edward I --- 1272-1309
1289
David de Rupe dies leaving as his heir - grandson David FitzAlexander
de Rupe - the children of his eldest son Alexander having died before
their father.
1291
Sir Thomas de Rupe was residing at Artramont, Co. Wexford, the
family seat in Rochesland for generations. Previously, they had been at
Newcastle in Shelmalier East
1295
A List from the Index to Volume I of the Justiciary Rolls: The
administration of justice under the control of Dublin in the Middle Ages was carried out in a network of courts,
each with its own jurisdiction. On a local level, there were
county courts, manorial courts, liberty courts and courts in the
various towns and boroughs. Central justice was administered in the
king's name by the Justiciar's court (which later became the
King's Bench), the Common Bench and by itinerant justices sent out to different areas of the country. It is
from the
records of these courts that these names were found by
a good Dublin Researcher.
E-mail: Sean O'Neill:
The justiciar's court was mobile. Pleas were
recorded, but from about 1280, the itinerant had
a profession judge assisting, and a second judge was
appointed on a regular basis. These courts dealt with both civil and
criminal matters. On the civil side, issues were title to land
and trespass; on the criminal side, offences against
the king's peace such as homicide, rape, arson, highway robbery and
harbouring felons.
It would appear from those listed below that the first named were
OLDER, first generation, with many named Nicholas, David, Henry,
Raymond, Adam, Luke, William, Godebert, Philip, Eustace, Gerald, Richard,
Alexander. John, Milo, Simon and Griffin are likely 2nd or 3rd
generation Cambro - Hiberno - Normans, sons or grandsons of the ROCHEs or de
RUPEs and de Rupellas who arrived in 1169. Many in the Justiciary Rolls
are referred to as "bastards"....which can mean bastard
within marriage and without....depending on the "legal"
interpretation applied to the formal parental union. Divorce could mean
you became a bastard retroactively??? Listed are:
DE LA ROCHE --- Adam, seneschal of Weysford; Alexander, son of David; Andrew; David;
Amicia wife of David, son of Alexander; Elias; Eustace; George; Godebert; Griffin;
Griffin, son of Raymond; Henry (Roch); Henry; Henry, Knight; Henry, son of John;
John; John, son of Eustace; Maurice; Philip; Rodbert; & Thomas.
DE RUPE --- Adam, son of Nicholas; Alexander, Henry and Alexander, sons of Alexander, son of David;
Alexander, brother of Andrew; David, Maurice his brother; David, Knight; David, the younger;
David, son of Henry; David, son of Reimund; Edmund; George; Gerald; Gerald, son of David;
Gerald son of Eustace; Gilbert brother of Gerald son of Eustace; Godebert, Chief Serjeant of Co.Waterford;
Godebert son of Gerald; Godebert son of Nicholas; Griffin; Henry; Henry boy; Henry son of David (Nichola his widow);
Henry son of Gerald; Henry son of Griffin; Henry son of John; Henry son of Nicholas;
John; Alexander his brother; John son of Alexander; John son of Gerald; John son of Griffin;
John son of Luke; John son of Nicholas; John son of Reimund; John son of William (his wife Nesta);
Luke son of John; Maurice son of Nicholas; Milo; Milo son of Eustace; Nicholas son of Richard;
Peter son of Gerald; Philip, Knight; Philip son of Alexander; Philip son of David; Philip son of John;
Philip son of William; Reimund son of Milo; Rodbert; Tanckard; Thomas son of Simon; Walter
William son of David (Margery his widow); William son of John; & William son of
Nicholas.
1297 - Parliament at Dublin passes
legislation to prevent Normans from "going native".
1299
Adam de la Roche was Seneschal (Kings representative) in Wexford; there is a record of his claim for allowances (expenses) in Ireland for the period AD 1299-1303. He had to claim these by Petition and they are extant under Accounts Various - Miscellaneous at the National Archives in Kew, UK. Since this is so long (over a century after the Bannow Landing, it would seem that there was more than one Adam, as suggested by many historians. We might assume a father-son or uncle-nephew relationship, but we could be either right or wrong; nobody knows.
1299-1305.
George de la Roche in Ireland grants the rights to Castle Maurice
in Wales to Sir John Wogan of Pictou - the result, the founding of the
Wogan chantry at St. David's (Pembrokeshire, Wales).
1300s
1300-02
David de Rupe, having wed Amicia de Cauteton (Condon), heiress
of Fermoy, is ordered to deliver to brother in law Maurice lands and
rent in Glennoure, Ardlathe, Rathleglas, Fegmor, Gortnebolla, Lenagh and
Lysdonewyth. After her death, David held title to these lands in Cork
and passed them in turn to one of their sons, Alexander, whose own sons
predeceased him. Suits and counter-suits continued for years - great
discord followed between the Roches and Cauntetons. Eventually the cantred was
taken into the King's hands. David did fealty to the King in full court;
Maurice was ordered to cease all further interference; and this explains
how Fermoy came under the Roche domain at that time.
However it was a short time indeed before this squabble resulted in murder of a de Rupe and the hanging of a Condon father and son) - see below.
1301
Grant of grazing rights by David de la Roche, Lord of Llangwm and
Maenclochog, to Whitland Abbey in 1301(Wales). This is Pembroke - but
not Roch Parish - and begs the question of whether David was in any way
related, other than by marriage to the de Roch Flemish family to the
north of him. David's family is linked to Butterhill and their
arms of later date show the lion, not the three roaches normally
associated with the Flemish Roches in Ireland. David and Johanna (de
Roch) had a son John who married Elizabeth de Bromwich in England That
line goes to Elizabeth and Ellen de la Roche and becomes extinct in
their time (no male de la Roche descendent survived) in England.
Thomas de la Roche - signatory to a Letter
by a group of Barons to Pope Boniface VIII by Seal - Sir Thomas bore the
arms "Sable, two lyons passant guardant argent". Some trickery
here by the then Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Arundel - a clear
attempt to implicate the late Peter de la Roche by the seal he used
(according to some references) showing the Knights who killed Thomas
Becket, during the reign of Henry II (the three fishes). The
killers - Reginald Fitz-Urse, Hugh de Morville, William de Traci, and
Richard Brito - none a Roche - all felling into disgrace after the
murder....and Henry II with them.
1305-07
David de la Roche frequently mentioned in the Calendar of
Justiciary Rolls for Ireland (name used most often was David FitzAlexander
de Rupe), the most significant being an intervention on
his part to obtain respite for men charged with the death of others.
1306
Thomas de la Roche has become Lord Roche of Wales, but none of his
descendents were ever called to parliament. The previous year, he had
acknowledged debts in Co Tipperary, and in 1308-9 he remained in Wales
while appointing attorneys in Ireland. He died in 1313.
Edward II 1307-27
Rebuffed by Church and State, the Irish ask Edward Bruce to become their King - 1315
1307-1322
Maurice de Rochfort addresses the King, Edward II, to do what must have seemed in London like yet another example of the curse of never-ending feuding in Ireland. De Rochfort had taken issue with succession regarding Castle Dermot, Kildare & Castle Kyle, Cork. People named: Miles de Argentin (valet of de Rochfort), Gilbert le Waleis (Wallace), a retainer of de Rochfort and Thomas de la Roche. Thomas - if he is the same man named above - could not have seen this matter to conclusion. It would have been left to his estate presumably.
[Note: Many of the names mentioned are either de or le; there are not many de la - certainly the family from Wales should have been de Roch; I suspect that the other Flemish families may have gone with one preposition....even the de Clares (Strongbow). There should not have been many de la Roches (Norman French in Ireland) and yet somehow, because of also holding property in England, when not de Rupe or the later Hibernicized de Roiste, the name is frequently seen as de la Roche.
I mention elsewhere that the Normans in England would have heard de Roch as de Rock phonetically, and thought "de la Roche". In any even the two or three names (le Rocque) became merged, it would seem, and then Anglicized after 1600 into Roche, variously spelled. It is only now with DNA technology available that we know there are three genetically unrelated people using the surname - this can't be repeated often enough as hardly a day goes by when someone does not want a battle of the "proper spelling of the name". There is no correct spelling for any name - first or surname!]
But back to de Rochefort - a totally unrelated name - which is why the above note is there when the same issue is discussed elsewhere on this site. He requested the King grant his peace to those who killed his valet, Miles de Argentein, and robbed Gilbert de Waleis (Wallace) in the town of Castledermot; and he states that Thomas de la Roche, to whom the King granted a market at his Manor at Kyle has in turn granted the Manor to him. The King is asked to confirm the grant, especially the market, a good source of revenue.
De Rochefort is required to show his charter en dorse, sue in the Chancery, and the King grants it will be done upon confirmation under he King's Seal in England. Clearly, they were not making things easy for de Rochford, likely aware that de Roch was in Wales and that the whole thing might be a pretense. Later however, like after Thomas' death, Maurice de Rochford again addresses the King mentioning the same places and people and one may assume that - unless challenged by the estate, the petition may have been approved - but it took 15 years!
1308
Maurice de Caunteton (Condon) addresses King and Council mentioning in his petition: Fermoy and other places in Co Cork. People mentioned included David Fitz Alexander de Rupe, grandson of David de Rupe, Walter Lenfaunt; Justice Maurice de Caruu (Carew). Clearly the Petition was not well received and ended (see below) in the murder of Richard de Rupe, presumably out of frustration.
Richard de Rupe's murder ends the hereditary feud between the
Roches and Condons. Maurice Condon commits the murder. He and son David Condon were
hanged in Dublin.
David Fitz Alexander de Rupe, grandson of David de Rupe; Walter Lenfaunt; Justice Maurice de Caruu (Carew); John Wogan, Chief Justice of Ireland, PROME - Petitions from Ireland - Unedited (1307-37), Rotuli Parliamentorum I, pp. 273-80, No. 19 (this dates the section) - we can safely assume it had to do with the above dispute and murder.
1311
William Roche killed in Dublin.
1314
John, son of Lord Thomas Roche dies and in his Will requests burial
at Pill Priory (Wales). Lady Margaret, his mother, is bequeathed half his farming
stock at Pill with the option of buying the other half at market value.
Sisters Elizabeth, Joanna and Lucia are left 20 marks each as a marriage
portion and his brother Thomas his armor.
Thomas, brother of John, had speedy use for the amour. He was summoned for service under Sir John Birmingham against Bruce and his Scots in 1316-17. Those refusing to defend against
Bruce in Ireland were threatened with excommunication by the Pope. Bruce was killed in battle and his head taken to England as a trophy by Bermingham.
Alexander Fitz-Hugh Roche founded Abbey of St. Augustine at
Bridgetown (in Irish, Ballindroghed) -- this reference is debated
amongst the experts and remains in question.
David de la Roche is among a group of "great men of
Ireland" written to by Richard II from York.
1315
Thomas de la Roche - Lord till 1324 - obtained a grant for himself
and wife Elizabeth of lands at Wolf's Castle and Rinaston, Wales.
1316
Roches, two of them, among a group of leading
"Anglo-Irish" magnates, proclaim in writing (by their seal)
their loyalty to Edward II.
1317
Thomas was commanded to return from Ireland for military action in
Wales.
1319
Geoffrey de Rupe held lands at Gibbrick's Ford, Wales (the Black
Book of St. David's)
1325
Thomas de la Roche died and left a son, William, who succeeded him,
and four daughters. William in 1326, 30, 42 and 48 had to name attorneys
in Ireland. He died about 1370. His son John predeceased his sister Mary
who then married John Fleming who became the new Baron de Roche. Their
daughter Margaret, a minor, married Sir Roger de Claryndon, but died
still under age in 1382. At this time, the Pembroke estate was split
between co-heirs of her maternal grandfather, William's four sisters.
Within a few short years, the de Roch lands and properties in Wales had
passed into other hands.
David FitzAlexander de la Roche puts his seal on a pronouncement of
the Parliament at Dublin to delay the carrying out of sentences on
others levied by the Church at the Council of Kilkenny. George de la
Roche of the Waterford branch was also a signatory.
1326
Roche family members and the Barrys, in battle, slay James
FitzRobert Keating, Lord Philip Hodnet and Hugh Gordon (History of Cork,
Smith, 1893).
Edward III 1327-77
1330
David, son of David de la Roche, slain (by monarchist forces) having
been taken prisoner - this causes some confusion regarding which David
is being spoken of in the various records of the period.
1332
David de la Roch is included in a group of Knights and Squires
mentioned in a letter from King Edward III to the Archbishop of Cashel
stating that Roger Outlaw, Prior of the Hospital of St, John of
Jerusalem in Ireland, has been given the power to treat with both the
English and Irish about coming into the King's peace and favour.
1335
Lord Roche obtained from Edward III a reduction in the 200 mark
fine levied on his father for not attending parliament under predecessor Edward II in 1326 --
the Louth Branch?.
1344
David De La Roche, Knt., m. Anna, dau. of Morice FitzThomas who
survived him (ten years earlier, it is recorded that he m. Blanch
Fleming of Dungrow also Castletownroche, likely the mother of son David
killed in 1330.
1347
John Roche, Canon of Cork, ob. Bishop of Waterford and Lismore.
Chosen by Dean and Chapter, ruled 10 years, died 4 July 1358.
Roche family of Kildare founds a House of the Carmelite Order at
Cloncurry, Co. Kildare
1349
John Roche is Bishop of Cork
1350
John Roche is one of burgesses involved in the Charter of Kinsale.
1351 & 56
David de la Roch receives letters from the King, Edward
III. David styles himself Lord of Fermoy in a letter in 1358.
1353
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Maurice Roche holds grist mill at Ballyleve.
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David Roche s/o Alexander holds land in manor of Kyllenon.
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Maurice Roche holds land at Clenor.
-
Thomas Roche holds land in Villa of Clenor.
1355
The Cork Roches and other Norman families, by act of parliament (Dublin),
seceded from the English government - Source: History of the Viceroys of
Ireland, Gilbert, 1865. David de la Roch and a number of others received a letter from the
King re the guarding of Co.Cork. Possibly to win David back, he is
offered a knighthood. Records in Birmingham and London confirm that he
accepted, being designated Roche, David Fitz Alexander miles (knight) by
1365, having done homage to the Bishop in Fermoy and Clenor by service
at the first installation of the Bishop to the office of Marshal.
1358
David de la Roch of Fermoy appointed his
Pembrokeshire, Wales
kinsmen his bailiffs to take possession of the Manors of Manbrier and
Penally to which he had succeeded on the death of Avice de Barri through the passing of another kinsman William Roche
de Barri and by intermarriage between the two families.
1364
-
Maurice Roche of Balyleny holds land in Ballybeg, Barony of
Imokilly
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David Roche, holds dwelling and land, Clenor parish.
-
John Roche, son of William, holds Garran Twnld, Clenor parish.
-
David Dominus Roche holds Villa of Rathyn, residence above, Avermor
as Marshall.
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John Roche, son of William holds land in Garran, Clenor parish.
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David Roche, son of David, holds dwelling and land in Clenor parish.
-
David de la Roche was elected Sheriff, Co. Wexford
-
David Roche, Marshall for Bishop of Fermoy and Cloyne (see
above), holds Ballygybelyn curate in Parish of Brygowne
Parliament at Kilkenny imposes
draconian Statutes to ensure English dominance in Ireland
1366
David Roche, Manor of Rahyn, holds Manor and property at CasRoch,
Person Street in Clenor and of Kylenon.
1371
Maurice Roche, lord Fermoy, holds land at Raheen in Fermoy.
1374
David de la Rupe is killed in battle against Niall O'Neill and Anna
(FitzThomas) de Rupe (his widow), her heirs and possessions are taken
under the King's protection. She was the mother of John born to the
couple in David's old age.
1375
John, son of David, who succeeds his father as Lord Fermoy, is
charged by Edward III with keeping the peace.
Richard II 1377-99
1380
John Rupe is summoned by the King to parliament at Tristeldermot
and in Dublin in 1380.
Margaret Roche, dau of Nicholas of Newbawn, married Thomas Wadding
of Ballycogley, Sheriff of the Co.
1382
John, son of David, knight, is made Sheriff of Co. Cork January 30.
1386
John Rupe (Roche) m. dau. of Thomas McCarthy, Lord of Comangue (Cosnaguy/Cosmangie),
listed as tanist (in charge of kingly succession under Irish tradition)
to McCarthy Mor. This reflects how, against the statute of Kilkenny,
the Roches ignored the requirement not to intermarry or do business with
the Irish, but to remain a race apart. The couple had two sons.
1387
John Rupe dies and leaves minor heirs. The lands of Maurice de Rupe of
Fermoy were given in custody to Gerald FitzMaurice, Earl of Desmond.
Maurice later married Gerald's sister Anne.
1389
Dionysius Roche is Chief Magistrate/Mayor of Wexford.
1394 & 99 Richard II send armies
to Ireland
1399
Five distinct branches of the Roche family are to be found at this
time in Ireland -- Louth, Kildare, Tipperary, Cork and Wexford (Cork
Historical and Archaeological Society).
Henry IV 1399-1413 (first of the House
of Lancaster)
1400
1403
Robert Roche, Canon of Cloyne; John Roche s/o - Apr 17 Priory of
Villa Pontis, barony of Fermoy: Schoolmaster
William Roche, Alexander Roche, witnesses.
1405
Maurice Fitz John Roch, Lord Roche, Viscount Fermoy released all
interest in vast holding in southern Cork to Robert and Milo
FitzGeoffrey de Cogan - Moretowne, Mustrymyttin and from the water of
Arino to the southern sea in Cork (6th year of the reign of Henry IV).
1408
John Roche of Drinagh was Seneschal of Wexford.
Henry V 1413-22
1422
Maurice de Rupe was made Sheriff of Co. Cork by the King in an
open letter from Kilkenny on February 18.
Henry VI 1422-71 (overlap with Edward
IV - War of the Roses
1438
John Roche, first Bailiff of Limerick - 1422-71 (overlap with
Edward IV - War of the Roses). This would suggest, they had been there
for some time - supposition - Limerick was governed as an
independent City State under a Charter of Henry V dated 1415 until about
1603. There were successive Roches who held office as Aldermen and
Mayors of the City throughout much of this period.
1440
Maurice de Rupe remained benevolent toward Bridgetown Abbey. In
this year, Pope Eugenius IV confirms in writing a grant by the Lord of
Fermoy to the Abbey and Rectory of St. Lachtain Parish Church in
Ballyhea, left vacant by the resignation of John Walshe.
1443
Maurice is confirmed as having a dau Blanche. This was in a
testimonial letter to James, Earl of Ormond, Lieutenant, Cork, January 9 signed
by Lord Roche. She married the Earl of Kildare.
Calendar of Ormond Deeds, Volume III (c. 1423): The value of royal service, given as knights' fees in this case 1/2 - Royal service belonging to the Earl of Ormond [Butler] in Co Kilkenny - The Lordship of Roche of Rower was granted the area surrounding Rower Civil Parish [DE RUPE].
1445
William Roch, 1st & 2nd bailiff, Cork (1445-6).
1448
David Fitz Maurice de la Roche, an only son, succeeded his father
at Fermoy. All genealogies extant give David Mor (the Great) validation
from this point onward. This leaves no doubt after this time of the
names and succession of the Lords of Fermoy, however confused they may
have been before this time. He married Joan, dau of Walter Burke
MacWilliam Uachter, with whom he had several children. [Comment: I
still wouldn't bet the keys to my house on any of it - the need to
create a later peerage after a dormancy of over a century is proof that
things did not in fact become much more neat! JFR]
1464
Andrew Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
William Roche, Archdeacon of Cloyne, Bishop's coadjutor.
1466
John Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
Edward IV 1461-83 (first of the House
of York - overlap with predecessor - War of the Roses
1479-90
William Roche succeeded to Bishopric of Cork and Cloyne,
resigned 1490.
1480
Edmond Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork.
Richard III 1483-5
1483
-
Maurice Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
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Edward Roche, burgess, Kinsale
-
John Roche, burgess, Kinsale
Henry VII 1485-1509
(the first Tudor)
1485 - Battle of Bossworth Field in
England - Richard III killed - Henry VII (Tudor) ascends the Throne
1488
Maurice, son of David Mor, succeeded his father and was summoned to
Greenwich by King Henry VII in 1489. He married twice - Joan dau of the
earl of Desmond and Margaret dau of Mahon O'Brien. With Joan, there were
two children and with Margaret one, a son, Edmond. Joan's dau Ellen
married her grand uncle Maurice, Earl of Desmond.
Maurice Roch, mayor, Cork - Maurice was from south of Lough Mahon
on the river Ballyroche. He was at times Mayor of Cork between 1488 and
1523. The family used the name Carrick for a time, as reflected in a
land transaction of the day, (Source: Gentlemen's Magazine, September,
1855). A constant is the Lion motif in their arms and those in part of
Wales.
1491
Maurice Roch, mayor, Cork *
David Roche first Bailiff of Limerick.
1494-95
John Roche, provost of Kinsale.
1497
Maurice Roch, Mayor of Cork *
David Roche, Mayor of Limerick
The burning of Irish records at Four Courts leaves little
information on the next few generations of Roches, but we do know
Maurice was succeeded by son David (Cork), who married Cathleen dau of Teig
McCarthy Mor. This David lived until abt 1544, but it was in his time
that serious trouble began with the English - seems there was much
"plundering" and "despoiling".
1500
15?? Edward Roche, application for Charter of City of Kinsale
15?? John Roche, application for Charter of City of Kinsale
1500
Maurice Roch, mayor of Cork*
1501
John Roch fitz Morris, 1st bailiff, Cork
George Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork - claiming descent from Lord Roch and
Fermoy, had a son John b. 1507 who became the father of James Roch the
Swimmer, credited with saving Derry for the British (more below).
1502-03
Andrew Roche, sovereigne of Kinsale
1504-05
George Roche, provost of Kinsale
Henry VIII 1509-47
(Reformation begins in the Reign of a King deemed "Defender of the Faith")
After a lapse in the tradition of Irish scholars attending English Universities (particularly Oxford & Cambridge), it began again in about AD 1500. The same restrictions on their future career prospects that had caused them to go to institutions on the continent still prevailed. No Irish graduate was permitted to take an appropriate position, upon graduation, in Ireland. What this meant in reality is anyone's guess. First, they had to be considered Loyalist in order to attend; second, having attended, they might still be disadvantaged; and third "Irish", by then could be Gaelic or Old English (not English at all, of course).
The difference was that this time, as opposed to the time of Henry V, for example, special dispensations were offered as long as concessions were made by the young scholar. As a result, some became Bishops and some gained positions in government - accent on "some". An exception was lawyers. There was a clear need for people trained in both the English Feudal Code and Brehon Law.
It was flattering for an Irish Chieftain to be offered an English knighthood, but little did he realize the true cost. Once conferred by the Monarch, the Knight's property could be confiscated at the whim of his Master; his children could be made wards of the Monarch; and any profit accruing from his wife's dower similarly could revert to the Crown. Henry's Acts of Attainder (AD 1535) and his Act of Absentees could blindside any Irishman and be used to entangle and confuse any of the old Cambro-Norman; Flemish or English.
In fact, by stealth, Henry at about AD 1520 was beginning to plot ways to supercede the Irish by English tenure. Having witnessed the limitations of force, he used guile - he hoped young people educated in the ways of the English would return home Anglicized, the deal sweetened by offers of membership in the Privy Counsel. He wanted this done "politically, patiently, and secretly", so that Irish and Hibernicized outsiders would find themselves drawn without jealousy or suspicion into the English sphere of influence. He saw lawyers as central to the ruse.
While some took the bait - hook, line and sinker - others slowly caught on. By 1577, when Elizabeth was on the Throne, a group of such lawyers, by then called, within the Pale, "Irish men", led the gentry there to contest for the independence of Parliament. The reaction by the Queen and her deputies can best be described as blistering hatred. The lawyers involved suffered straight and painful imprisonment, and that was the end of all pretense. It seemed that with the exception of Dublin (the Pale), nobody knew where they stood and so they stood where they wanted to stand until, they could be brought to heel.
1510
John Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
1511
Maurice Roche, Mayor, Cork *
1511-12
Richard Roche, sovereigne of Kinsale
1512
Edmond Roch fitz Morris, 1st bailiff, Cork.
1513
John Roche fs Morris, mayor of Cork
1514
John Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
1515
Phillip Roche, provost of Kinsale.
1516
William Roch fs George, 2nd bailiff, Cork
1520
Edmond Roche, mayor of Cork
Lord Walter Roche, son of Nicholas, with a band of followers, entered the suburbs of Wexfordtown by night and burned a boat owned by Robert Canton (Condon/Cauton) at Ravan Point, then went on to burn the towne of Willim Meyler and Thomas Synnott, charging the 20s in order to re-build. Walter also entered Wexfordtown, with an Irish banner displayed and seized any animals found. This is again a case of old allies fighting one another. Walter having taken an Irish wife and adhering to Brehon Law and thus being in violation of Feudal/English law.
1522-23
Phillip Roche, sovereigne of Kinsale.
1523
Maurice Roche fs John, mayor of Cork *
1525
Sir Dominick, Vicar of Cork, Bishop of Cork and Cloyne.
1528 Migrations of Munster Irish
into (back into) Pembrokeshire (Wales)
Note - this explains much of the
confusion around the latter-day Roch(e) names and estates in Wales,
especially Pembroke(shire). The original de Roch(e)s had died off in the
1400s at Roch Parish and the de la Roches (further south) had fled to
England - as described on the History Page - link on this site.
Even though locals had adopted the name after the Roches were no more, I
had been at a loss as to how they could have taken up titles and
property later. This is at least partially explained - absentee
Welsh landlords in Ireland - plus strong links between Cork and Dublin
over the centuries - do (tenuously) provide the substance for the
re-appearance of non-Welsh Roches and arms bearing lions, not fishes, in
Wales at a later date. The lion/s - sometimes capped with a five
pointed Crown - a Roche - and having been used by some south Cork Roches
- now make sense. So there is some logic and continuity to what had
seemed a muddle.
1528
Richard Roch St John, 1st bailiff, Cork
1529
James Roch St Morris, 1st bailiff, Cork
1530
Edmund Roche fs Maurice, mayor of Cork
George Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1533
Dominick Roch fs Edmd., mayor of Cork
David Roche, Mayor of Cork
1534
Nicholas Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
1535
George Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1536 - George Browne made Bishop of
Dublin; ordered to reform Irish Church
1537 - Henry VIII declared King of
Ireland by Irish Parliament. All land declared property of the crown to be
re-granted at the King's pleasure.
1537
-
Walter Roche ( Roche's Revenge), Rochesland
waxed Irish in his ways and went to the suburbs of Wexford town on a
night raid, burning property, collecting taxes and taking cattle. He had
an Irish woman as a wife in open contravention of the Church's Statutes
of Kilkenny.
- Robert Roche, son of John Roache of New Ross, contrary to the
King's peace, cut off the hand of David Duff, mariner of Ross.
- William Edlee Roche took from Thomas Keating of Graigscor farm animals and other goods.
- William Etle (note difference in spelling) Roche, with the help of diverse "wild Irish", attached Coolcotts, a townland near Wexford, and took from husbandman, Walter McThomas farm animals and other goods. The group also murdered McThomas' wife. This seems and was terrible, but all sides were guilty of such atrocities.
- Nicholas Roche, Seneschal of Co Wexford, with his allies the
Keatings, Suttons, Furlongs, Hores, Hays, FitzHenrys, Devereaux',
Synnotts and Nevilles, took away from the commons and burgesses of New Ross by force
of arms pigs, sheep, cattle and six men as hostage for ransom.
- Ironically, while these "crimes" were being judged and reported back to Dublin by Juries within the Shire, the family names - like Roche and Prendergast are found both on the docket and as jurymen - specifically in this year (1537), one John Roche. In fact, all the names are foreigners' names, as are the names of those charged. Presumably, this is the result of people deciding to be Loyalist, Brehon or to try to be either depending on circumstance...the deciding factor often being the taking of Irish wives in violation of the Statutes of Kilkenny and similar laws.
1539
David de Rupe (alias Lord Roche) had drawn the ire of Nicholas
Comyn, Bishop of Waterford, who requested in a letter to Henry VIII that
the English subdue the rudeness of Lords Barri, Roche and others. Trying to be politically astute, he seems to have been successful for a
time in being included among the Anglo-Normans, not the Cambro-Normans.
James fz Morris Roche, mayor of Cork (and again in 1552).
1541
George Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1542
Philip Roche, esq., suffrain of Kinsale David de Rupe again figures in a letter to the King. This time, it
is from Lord Deputy Sentleger requesting redresse for the many evil
behaviours committed by Lord Roche and the White Knight who "have
long been out of good order and yet Englishmen" fighting one
another. They were therefore thrown in jail in
Dublin where they got along famously apparently. The plan was to keep
them there til they saw the light and learned to behave.
1544 David de Rupe, Lord of Fermoy, dies.
1545 Maurice "The Mad" de Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork succeeds his
father David. He married Grace, dau of Cormac MacTeige, Lord of Muskerry
and had 5-6 children. 1546 Dominick Roche, merchant, Cork James Roche, Mayor, Cork Marcus Roche, Cork
1547 Robert Roche of Drinagh with Ric Butler intruded into the King's
Castle and lands at Taghmon. The Sheriff reported in the Plea Rolls of
Wexford that they were both now dead.
Edward VI 1547-53 (at age 10)
1548
William Fitz Edmund Roche, reg. In 1578, d. of w., will filed, Co
Cork
Richard Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1549 May 3, Pardon of:
----Robert Roche, gent., of Ballytersane
----Richard Roche of Danystone
----Maurice Duff Roche of Ballyby
1549 Aug 4, Pardon of:
----Alexander Roche of Balletasan in the Roche-land
----Robert Roche of Drenargle, parish of Kylepatrick.
----Thomas Roche Cork City 1550
----Dominick Roche, mayor of Cork
1552 July 22, Pardon to:
----David Roche, son of Lord Roche
----Edward bane Roche
----James Roche M'Barrye of Ballyrichards, horseman
----Peccorde Roche
----Richard M'Libbode Roche
----John oge M'Edmond Roche
1552 James Roch fz Morris, mayor of Cork
Mary I 1553-58 (restored Catholicism in England and encouraged the first Plantation by the English in Ireland)
1553
Lord Roche is described in a letter from Sir Thomas Cusacke, Lord
Chancellor of Ireland to the Duke of Northumberland as being among the
lords and captains of the counties Limerick, Cork and Kerry who within a
few years would not hear talk of obeying the law.
1556
John Roch fz Edmd., 1st bailiff, Cork
Lord Roche married the second daughter of Sir Thomas of Desmond
1557
Patrick Roche, Archdeacon of Cork, recommended to be Bishop of Cork
and Cloyne and by inhabitants of Kinsale. Signers included John Roche fitz
Patrick, John Roche fz. Phyllyp
1558
The White Knight (Limerick) v Lord Roche (Fermoy) - alleged spoil of the Plaintiff's country by Donoghe, brother of the Defendant. Judgment: payment demanded to the Irish Exchequer (presumably, a fine).
Dominick Roche fz William, mayor of Cork
Elizabeth I 1558-1603 (restores the C
of E in England)
1561 (or earlier)
David Roche, succeeded Maurice the Mad
1561
Richard Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
Lord Roche is again the subject of correspondence from Ireland to
England. Thomas Sussex reported that he has heard that the earl of
Desmond has sworn Lord Roche to him.
1562
Maurice Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1563
Lord Roche is reported to Queen Elizabeth I by the Lord lieutenant
as having suffered great hurts at the hands of the Countess of Desmond,
Gerald Earl of Desmond, his late father, James fitzJohn, and their
supporters.
Maurice Roche of Trabolgan, Mayor of Cork (suggested by some as
first in the line culminating with Princess Diana). They
were from south Cork - raising doubts about a Limerick connection to the
last dynasty (barons) at Fermoy)
Richard Roch, 2nd bailiff, Cork
1565
Richard Roche, was mayor of Cork
1565 April 10, Pardon to:
----Maurice Roche, son and heir of Lord Roche
----John fitz Edmond Roche of Ballehyndeny
----James fitz Maurice Roche of Croghe
----James Roche, alias Machenry, of Corraghmachenry, Co Cork, gent.
1566
David Roche is knighted by Sir Henry Sidney during his tour of
the south of Ireland following his vindication on a charge of supineness
while in command of cavalry in support of his English allies. It is
difficult, however, to evaluate the significance afforded this title in
Tudor times, especially since there was obvious distrust of the
recipient in government circles. Military intelligence documents by
Loyalists which still survive indicate that Roche was most vulnerable at
Killmallocke, but that he had under his command 36 cavalrymen, 100 foot
soldiers and 80 gallowglasses (mercenaries).
Edmond Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1567
Maurice Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1568
Roche's loyalty in question and Roche's country raided - in answer
to his complaint, the Lord Justices sent a circular to a number of
Anglo-Norman officials speaking of Roche's loyalty and asking
restitution for the harm wrought by the Irish. The Earl of Desmond, his
father in law, was at this time confined to the Tower of London.
Lord Roche listed among "all the noble men" summoned to
appear in parliament at Dublin by the pleasure of Queen Elizabeth I. It
notes that the names of these formerly noble houses have begun to
tarnish - some have become mere Irish, and some partly Irish, thus
causing a great decay in a noble region. Roche, Viscount of Fermoy is
ninth on that list.
1571
1572
James Roch fz Dominick, 1st bailiff, Cork
Lord Roche's support deemed ineffective in a letter from Lord
President Perrot to the Lord Deputy describing a small military action
in Munster.
1573 May 4, Pardon to:
----Edmond fitz Morishe Roche of Illane ny fynsyn, Cork
----John fitz Morishe Roche of Illane ny fynsyn, Cork
----William fitz Morish Roche of Kinur, yeoman, Cork
1573 May 5, Pardon to:
----David Roch, lord of Armoye, Co Cork, his son and other relatives as
follows for having helped the English Army in Munster and remitting all
Crown debts.
----Maurice Roche of Castletown, Cork, gent.
----Elinor fitz Morish, his wife, Cork
----James ny gillagh Roche, Cork
----Theobald Roche of Castletown, Cork
----John Roche of Castletown, Cork
----William Roche of Carrigownane, Cork
----William fitz Tibbot Roche of Ballahowly, Cork
----Theobald fitz Philip Roche of Ballahowly, Cork
----David fitz Philip Roche of Ballahowly, gent., Cork
----John moyle fitz Edmond Roche of Ballahowly, Cork
----Edmund fitz David Roche of Carrigownan, Cork
----David fitz Tibot Roche of Licklase, Cork
----James fitz Tibot Roche of Licklase, Cork
----John fitz Tibot Roche of Licklase, Cork
----David fitz James fitz Redmond Roche of Ballihenden, gent., Cork
1573 May 6, Pardon to:
----David fitz John Roche of Killahally, gent., Cork
----John fitz David Roche of Whatlieston, Cork
----James fitz James Roche of Shanywallymore, Cork
----David row Roche of Tamplerowne, yeoman, Cork
----John fitz Ulicke Roch of Kilbyrne, gent., Cork
----Enstas fitz Thomas Roch of Croghnykry, yeoman, Cork
----James fitz Thomas Roche of Ballyndrohyd, chaplain, Cork
----Eustace fitz Thomas Roche of Ballyndrohyd, yeoman, Cork
----Maurice fitz John fits Gerot Roch of Ballinleygan, Cork
----William rioghe Roche of Castelton, Cork
----Redmund boy Roch of Castelton, Cork, yeoman
----Peter fitz William Roche of Ballyhenden, yeoman, Cork
----Redmund Roch, son of lord Roche, gent., of Castleton, Cork
1573 Philip Roche's lands - his being the under-aged
son and heir of John Roche, late of Kynsall, Cork, merchant - were granted in wardship
to Nicholas Walsh, gent., to hold during minority, Cork.
1573 May 10 Pardon to:
----John Roche fitz William of Curaghrock, gent., Cork
1574
Edmd. Roch fz Dominick, 1st bailiff, Cork
1575 May 14, Pardon to:
----James Roch alias ny geyllaghe of Old Castelton, Co Cork, gent.
----Redmond Roch of Castelton, Cork, gent.
----Redmund bwy Roche of Croighe, Cork
----Edm. Fitz David Roch of Carrigowne, Cork
----James fitz Philip Roch of Ballahowly, Cork
----John Roche fitz Richard of Cork
----Maurice fitz James Roch pf Ballyhenden, Cork
----William riough Roch of Castelton, Cork
----John begg Roch of Curraghmackhenry, Cork
----Edm. y villaine Roch of Kylowragh, Cork
----David fitz Philip Roch of Ballahowly, Cork
----Tybbott m'Philip Roch of Ballahowly, Cork
----Shane lyeh Roch of Ballyndenig, Cork
----Peter fitz William Roch of Old Castelton, Cork, yeoman
In the midst of this, we have a buccaneer, a pirate - Philip Roche - if that in fact was his real name; On record is a memorandum regarding seizure of concealed money by the Bristol searcher (custom's officer in modern terms, I suppose) aboard Roche's ship, laden for Ireland, 28 May 1575
1575 May 18, Pardon to:
----Theobald Roche of Cregg, Cork, gent.
----John Roche of Crogh, Cork, gent.
----Maurice fitz Gerrot Roche of Ballgingerragh, Cork, gent.
----David fitz John Roche of Rathe, Cork, gent.
----Philip fitz Redmond Roche of Cariglenlery, Cork, kern
----David m'Shane bane Roche of Rathe, Cork, kern
1576 Feb 16, Pardon to:
----Eustace Roche of Parke, Cork
1576
William Roche fz Dominick, mayor of Cork
1577 - Pope Gregory XIII, despite Rome's self-interested and full support for the British Monarchy for centuries, exhorts the Irish to rebel against Queen Elizabeth I of the Reformed Christian Faith - using as justification that "the Apostolic See hath ever embraced with singular love and peculiar affection the nation of the Irish."
1577 Sept 7, Pardon to:
----John beg Roche of Carragh-m'Henry, yeoman, Cork.
----John duff Roche of Castletowne, Cork
1577 Sept 12, Pardon to:
----David Roch, Knt., viscount of Fermoy, Co. Cork
----Theobald Roch of Cregg, Cork, gent.
1577
David Viscount Roche of Ardmoy received a grant under Queen's
letter dated 22 May to hold the office of leader of the inhabitants of
Ardmoy, Lord Roche's country - effective Sept 21
1578
Philip Roche, gent., advisor to Earl of Desmond
John Roche, gent., son of Viscount Roche, grant of wardship and
marriage of Donald or Donnagh O Kellaghan, grandson and heir of
Kelleghan/O Kellaghan, late chief of his nation in Co. Cork, and custody
of his lands during minority.
David Roche, Sept 10 Livery to knight., Viscount Fermoy alias
Ardmoye, son and heir of Maurice late Viscount.
1579
Maurice Roche fz Richard, mayor of Cork
Lord Roche and an illegitimate son James helped the English (Sir
Henry Sidney) against the Geraldines. James was later killed by the
White Knight, Edmond FitzGibbon. But Roche refused to pay English taxes
and levied his own exorbitant taxes on his subjects.
Lord Roche warned the Duke of Ormond in February about the coming
of Spanish ships.
1579 May 30, Pardon to:
---- Patrick Roche fitz Philip., merchant of Kynsale.
1580
James Roche Negelagh having been murdered, Edm. FitzJohn
FitzGibbon, gent., of Mitchelston, Cork, was pardoned for death
1581
Maurice Roche of Cahedowgan, esq., son and heir of David Roche,
lord of Ardmoye, who was reconciled with his father thereafter, having
been in open rebellion against the English - pardoned
1582
Maurice Fitz Edmond Roche, alderman of Cork, will filed, Co.Cork
Patrick Fitz Philip Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
Lady Roche, David's wife - was accused of treason by a younger
branch of the family including Theobold Roche of Ballyherven. Four of
their sons were killed in battle with their enemies of long standing,
the Condons. Not more than fourteen men survived so that Roche had to
bring in strangers from other territories to inhabit his territory after
these engagements - a disastrous year for the Roche family
1582 Aug 24, Pardon to:
----Fermoy William m'Phillip Roche of Castlelions, Cork
----Fermoy David m'Phillip Roche of Castlelions, Cork.
1582 Aug 26, Pardon to:
----Philip carraugh Roch, horseman, Cork
----Patrick Roch fitz Rob., horseman, Cork
----Theobald Roche, Cork
----John Roche fitz Rob., Cork
----Edm. Roch fitz John, Cork
----Edm. Roch fitz Rob., Cork
----Rob. Carragh Roche, horseman, Cork
----Edm. Roch, kern, Cork
1582 Sept 12, Pardon to:
---- Richard Roch fitz John of Kinsale, Cork.
1583
1583 Nov 28, Pardon to:
----Maurice Roch, lord Roch of Castleton, Co. Cork
----John Roch fitz William of Carrigdowne, Cork, gent.
----William m'Theobald Roche of Hall ___, Cork, gent.
----John fitz William Roch of Hall ___, Cork, gent.
----Maurice fitz John Roch, late of Chrahmarie, horseman, Cork
----David fitz John Roch of Castelkiflyn, horseman, Cork
----Walter Roch of Castellkiffyn, horseman, Cork
----Maurice fitz John Roch of Castelkiffyn, Cork
----James fitz Morish Roch of Soneston, gent., Cork
----James fitz Philip Roch Conva, Cork
----Edmund og fitz Edm. Roch of Ballynlegan, Cork
----David fitz John Roche of Hall ____ Ballynleaynicke, Cork
----Theobald fitz David Roche of Ballyhindyny, Cork
----Maurice fitz James Roche of Ballyhindyny, Cork
----David fitz Tabbot Roche of Glanmor, horseman, Cork
1583
Maurice Roche, Lord Roche, Viscount Fermoy alias Ardmoye, son
and heir of David, late viscount granted Livery
David and wife Ellen dau of James MacPierce died within a month of one another in the spring of this year -- not surprising in
light of what had so recently befallen them. Castletownroche was preyed
upon by the Condons. Margery, sister of David, was left to
entertain British representative, Sir Henry Sidney, on yet another of his
visits.
Eveleen, Countess Roche, dau of Maurice, son of David and Ellen,
wife of the Earl of Thormond (Donough, the son of Conor O'Brien) died
that summer at Clonroch and was buried in the Monastery at Ennis.
Maurice de Rupe succeeded his father as Viscount. He was married to
Ellen, dau of Maurice Atotane, brother of the 15th Earl of Desmond. They
had 4-5 children. He had been amongst the pardoned in 1565 -76-81 for
rebellion and manslaughter, but upon receiving his inheritance, he at
first went back the Queen (very pragmatic). Because he did so, he gained yet
another pardon and his men an amnesty.
1584 May 31, Pardon to:
---- John Roche fitz Morice of Cork.
1585
Maurice Roche, probate, Co Cork
Philip Roche, esq., Borough of Kinsale officer
September, 1588 - Spanish Armada -
About 25 Spanish ships wrecked off the Irish coast. Cast-aways were helped in
Ulster and north Connacht, but, elsewhere, many were put to death.
1588
Theobald Roch of Creg slain. Sept 9 as a result of an Inquisition
at Shandon Castle, which found him guilty of participation in the Earl
of Desmond's rebellion.
Lord Roch granted parcels of land and an Abbey in consideration of
200 pounds arrears because Roche and his ancestors had on all occasions
of service, especially in the late rebellion, shown themselves loyal and
serviceable to the Crown. However, overall, Roche and his kin, after all
was said and done, fared as badly as the rebels. Maurice proceeded to
England to plead his case and returned indignant at his treatment.
Eustace Roche of Flanders was employed by the crown to improve the mining of metals,
and in 1588, was granted land at Newhaven to construct 10 pans, in
which he was to make a superior grade of salt. Coal and salt were
largely responsible for the rise in importance of several ports in the
Forth, but Leith, Scotland shared significantly in the trade.
1589
John Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1590
Dominick Roche fz Oliver, mayor of Cork
Christopher Roche, l. -- died, 13 December, under torture, Newgate,
London (Source Catholic Encyclopedia - Irish Confessors and Martyrs)
1591 June 19, Pardon to:
----Philip roe Roch of Crookshaven
----John Roch of Crookshaven
1591, Pardon to:
----Morice fitz John fitz(R)Edmond Roche, Cork
1592
David, son of Maurice the Mad, dies. English undertakers were
abroad in the land at that time and the Roches were not happy about
their demands and decisions.
1593
If Maurice Roche, at the
age of 42, became the eighth Viscount of Fermoy in 1635, he would have
been born to David, the seventh Viscount, about this time.
1597
1594
Francis Roach was Chorister at Corpus Christi in England, an Irishman studying in England. Source; Fowler's, p 429.
Maurice, Viscount Roch, is imprisoned in Dublin Castle, charged with crimes of high nature. There he remained until July 1599 (below),
and he remained loyal to the Queen!
Dominic FitzJordan Roche of Newcastle was mayor of Limerick in
1597, 1616, 1618 and 1621. He was Commissioner of Co. Limerick in 1627
and often at odds with the Church. As Alderman at Limerick in 1629, he
was accused of using "disrespectful words towards the King."
An Irish Rebellion against England began. Spanish help arrived too late (1601).
1598
David Roche, son of Maurice, joined the rebels (according to a
letter from Sir Thomas Norreys to Sir Robert Cecil from Cork). The
undertakers were promptly ejected from their holdings shortly thereafter.
1598 Feb 17, Pardon to:
----Richard fitz James Roche
----Margaret fitz John Roche
----Redmund boy Roche
----James Roche fitz Philip
----Richard Roche fitz Philip
----Philip Roche fitz Philip
----Redmund fitz Tibbott Roche
1599
Maurice finally had enough and entered the rebellion. He then
married widow Cateline, dau of Gerald, Earl of Desmond. However, he soon
quarreled with Lord Desmond and was pardoned yet again - along with
many kinsmen.
1599 July 24, Pardon to:
----Maurice Roche, Viscount Fermoy
----Theobald Roche, his son
----William Roche
----James Roche
----Edward Roche
----Theobald fitz David Roche
----Redmond fitz Theobald Roche
----David fitz Theobald Roche
----James fitz Morish Roche
----Ulicke fitz James Roche
----John fitz Ulicke Roche
----John fitz Morish Roche
----Morish fitz John Roche
----Garrett Roche
----Edm. Fitz Redmond Roche
----George fitz John Roche
----Redmond boye Roche
----Richard fitz James Roche
1599 July 24, Pardon to:
---- Morishe fitz James fitz Redmond Roche
---- James fitz Theobald Roche
---- Rob. Garuffe fitz John Roche
1600
1601
Maurice and John Fitz John Roche are reported to have marched from
Kinsale with Don Juan de Aquila (Spanish Fleet), but Maurice had died in
June, 1600. His place was taken by son David who turned
Protestant and turned away his brothers. Brother, Theobold died in the same
year as his father. While a rebel in his youth, David becomes a
loyalist once he received his inheritance in full - even that taken from
his father in penalty for rebellion. He married Joan dau of James Lord
Barry, Viscount Buttevant. So, by the beginning of the 1600s the Fermoy
family was represented by David (1573-1635), a Loyalist. He died at
Castletownroche, west of Glanworth in the area by then known [like
several others in Ireland] as Roche's Country [Crioch Roisteach]. His
son Maurice inherited, but met a very different fate. There was increasing
political opposition from Dublin Castle to Anglo-Irish Gentry who claimed
loyalty to the Crown, but remained Roman Catholic. The Civil War of 1641 and
the Cromwellian intervention in Ireland saw Maurice treated with suspicion. He
was even imprisoned for a short time in 1624.
He chose the Confederacy side in the 1640's and suffered a major land
confiscation, valued at £50,000, in 1642. He was offered in exchange an
obscure piece of land in Co. Mayo, which was never taken up. He attempted to
regain his land through supplications to Charles II after the Restoration, but
was completely unsuccessful.
Maurice's wife, Catherine (nee Power), was even more unfortunate. After
gallantly defending Castletownroche in 1641, she was hanged by Cromwell for
murder of an "unknown man" on the evidence of a "strumpet". Her
husband later fled to Flanders and joined a continental army (more below).
1602
Walter Roche, son of John Roche of Rochesland, Co Wexford, at
Trinity (ward - meaning it was likely he has been made ward of the Queen - not something desirable.)
1603
- Edward Roche, bro. to Dominick Roche, rebels
- John Fitz-David Roche, RC, preached in Cath. Rebellion
- John Roch fz James, 1st bailiff, Cork
- June 1 Philip Roche Fitz-John, probate, Co Cork
- Lord David Roche, still loyal to the Crown, with Thornton and 800
soldiers, proclaimed the King (James I) near Shandon Castle, Cork.
James I 1603-25 (first of the Stuarts)
1604
John Roche., son of Thomas Roche, Athnally, Co Wexford, at Trinity
College, ward.
1605
Patrick Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1607 - The Flight of the Gaelic and Cambro-Norman
Earls of Ulster to Spain - Cos Armagh, Cavan, Coleraine, Donegal,
Fermanagh and Tyrone - declared forfeit to the crown. Ulster was seized and
populated by Lowland Scots and English Protestants....a problem that
sustains until today.
1607
David McShane Roche, probate, Oct, City of Cork
Dominick Roche, probate, Oct, Co of Limerick
1608
Edmund Roche, 1st son of Philip Roche, gent., Kinsale, ward at
Trinity.
Edmd. Roch, 1st bailiff, Cork
1609
1610
Edward Roche, Edmond Gallwey, Henry Gould Fitz-Piers (Mayors and
Sheriffs of Cork. Source: " The History of the Co and City of
Cork" by Rev. C.B. Gibson, M.R.I.A., published London, 1861, Volume
II).
1611
David Lord Roche, probate, Sept, Co Cork
1612
Nicholas Roche, who died in office and was succeeded by Ed. Roche
Fitz-John Domk. Tyrry Fitz-Edmond, Stephen Miagh Fitz-Garrett, Patrick
Lawallyne Fitz-Richard Dominick Gallwey - source as above.
Eustatius (Eustace) Roche, probate, Oct, Co Waterford
1613 - Coleraine and Derry renamed
Londonderry
1613
David Roche (Fermoy) signs a petition for
a group of Catholics going to parliament to request some redress in the
laws against them.
James Roch fz Philip, Borough of Kinsale officer - April 21
Dominick Roch fs Richard, gent., Borough of Kinsale officer
1614
Edmond Fitz Morish Roche of Ardeclaine, d. of w., will filed, Co
Cork
March John Roche, prior of Lismore
Edward Roche, son of John Cork City
1615
Dominick Roche fz James,
dep. Sheriff of Cork
1616
Dominick Roche Fitz-James (Mayor), Maurice Roche Fitz-James
(Sheriff), John Gallwey, James Gold, G.T. Fitz-Edmond, John C. Fitz-John,
Thomas Martell Fitz-Philip - source as above.
1618 - Herald's Visitation of Co.
Wexford.
The Roches of Artramont and Drinagh (Bless
them!) showed
contempt for the English Crown by refusing to register their arms and
pedigrees with the Ulster King of Arms on his visit to Wexford
*** THIS
EVENT TRIGGERED THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR OUR TITLES,
PEERAGES, WEALTH & POWER IN WEXFORD.
'If the Roches lost their
claim to titles and coats of arms in 1618, and their lands and
possessions in the Cromwellian Plantation, later generations showed that
they had lost none of the qualities of leadership and courage which had
distinguished the family in earlier times.' [Richard Roche].
I beg to differ with Richard to a small
degree...the British themselves say they never created or bestowed arms
on the Wexford Roches (See Family History Page). I agree. They can't
take away what they did not give. By force, they stripped us of wealth
and power. But we had it right when we showed contempt for the Herald.
And their little books about Dormant, Abeyant and Forfeited Arms may
give them comfort, but we didn't care then and we don't care now. Being
Republicans, of course, we now relegate them to history, while retaining
a sentimental attachment.
My problem is that
many of the "Irish", like most of the Welsh before them, never
appreciated or acknowledged our contribution to their societies - even after centuries
lived among them and
many a life sacrificed to help protect them from Anglo predations. But
such is Life.
1618
Andrew Fitz Michael Roche, will filed, Co Cork
Theobald Roch, probate at Mallow, Oct, Co Cork
(possible youngest son of David?)*
1620
William Roch, probate, Sept, City of Cork
1623
1624
Source: "The History of the Co and City of Cork"; by Rev. C.B.
Gibson, M.R.I.A., pub. London, 1861, Volume II)
Charles I 1625-49
1625
1626
Dr. John Roche, Bishop of the Diocese of Ferns, Co Wexford (for the
most part) 1626-36. His father was a lawyer in New Ross and he went to
Douai in the Spanish Netherlands to study for the priesthood (a
struggling Irish seminary had been in existence there since 1594). John
was known for his diplomatic skills, having worked with the Papal Nuncio
at Brussels (1607), as Papal Diplomat to Paris (1616), and
representative of Ireland in Rome (1622), having become a Cardinal a
year earlier.
In Ferns, he had to wrestle with how his own people,
wealthy merchants in the towns and wealthy landowners in the country,
could combine civil obedience with religious disobedience. He learned it
was impossible. He died in Kilkenny (1636) at age 63 while visiting
Bishop Roche of Ossory. He is "probably" buried in St. Mary's
Church Cemetery there, but
No stone marks his grave.
1627
1628
1629
1630
1631
1632
- Morrish Roche, alderman, former mayor
- John Roche fitz Edward, eldest son of a mayor, sworn free, 16
April, Cork
- William Roche, probate, Co Cork, Aug 20
- Dominus (Dominick) Viscount Fermoy, probate, Co Cork
- William Roche fitz Dominick sworn in as mayor - 1 Oct
- Dominick Roche appt sergeant of mace, Cork
1633
1634
1635
NOTE: If David had sons other than his successor, Maurice, as
suggested by the Trinity and British Museum Harlean MSS, there may be
credence to another story. They had three daughters (as recorded above) and two
sons (?), or 7-8
children, depending on which "expert" you believe.
The Harlean MSS records seem authoritative (the reference to two sons might
have gained credence after one son died and two others had been shipped off to safety - or so they would be no
threat to the inheritance?) - note the reference to three daughters:
Kathleen, Jane, & Ellen. But the sons??? Maurice, James, John and Theobald??? Given
that the eighth Viscount had been driven to exile on the Continent, his wife hanged, his
brothers dead or no longer on the scene by 1635, one would think that - as
far as London was concerned - it was game, set and match. Somehow things
seem to have dragged on into the next century? I can't explain much of what happened in the interim - at least not in any
rational way. The extended family is said to have declined into genteel
poverty with the occasional handout from wealthy sympathizers.
But there is a body of opinion which claims that the main line at Fermoy became
extinct only when Ulicke Roche died in 1733. The Genealogy Society, then based in Eaton Square, Belgavia, in one of their books, states that Ulick (variously spelled), the 12th Viscount, was forced to walk to Connaught with his 6 daughters, 2 of whom died of malnutrition on the way. He wrote London saying he would convert to the established Church of Ireland in order to reclaim his estates, even though he had no male heir. He died without sons and before his possible formal conversion....which was the whole idea - as far as the British were concerned.
Various reputed cousins appear
around that time, as must have been the case previously, and there is
evidence that other branches of the family held land in the area late into
the 1700s. Even then, it was over another century before the Trabolgan
Roches made a play....and a new Peerage was created for them - Baron - as opposed to Viscount. They did not make a claim of a blood link; they could not. Their line traces back to a merchant in the 1500s. This was a new Peerage, as is evident from newspaper accounts at the time.
People in Barbados (including the late Patrick
Kellman Roach) tell of two of David's sons, James and John (Theo having died that
year), who, before David's death in 1635 migrated (fled/sent/were kidnapped/sent
away to safety?) aboard the ship "Abraham" out of Kinsale to Barbados....difficult to prove....but
fascinating to speculate upon....given that Maurice himself was later forced to flee to
the continent.
PK in Barbados (2003) wrote --- bracketed comments [ ] are mine:
"I have worked for some 20 years on the Roach/Roch pedigree; 14 years as
a volunteer at the Barbados Museum and Historical Society. I start our
branch with David the 7th Lord Fermoy who died in 1635. His son, Maurice,
the 8th Lord Fermoy, inherited and had three brothers, James the next in
line, followed by John and a third brother, Theobald, who had died.
[Note the possible reference to Theo below].
I used the Harlean scribes family tree from the British Museum as a
reference.
Around 1625, a James and John
Roche immigrated to Barbados secretly and are
shown owning 20 acres in St. Lucy Parish at the North of the Island. They
seem to have left Ireland secretly, and no one seems to have known where
they were going. [This is possible - Maurice was born abt 1583 and Theo
died 1618, that would mean that James and John (likely born about 1600)
might have been in their late teens or early 20s by 1625].
There are now 5 Roaches living in this area, and I am the eldest at 84. In
Barbados, there are Dr. Timothy Colin Roach and his son James, now aged 20
and at University; Tim's half-brother, Derrick, and his son aged 10; and
Airline Captain, Randal Roach (who lives in Jamaica) and has no
children."
[Sadly, none have an interest in family
history or DNA research for surname purposes - it would be interesting
to compare their samples with others with designs on Fermoy - i have seen their pedigree and see possible errors and the names mention appear in Ireland after the dates when they were purportedly in the Bahamas - the perils on common first names again
].
Yet the dynasty at Fermoy lasted (albeit in sad condition) until Ulicke in 1733 and the Trabolgan group became Lords Fermoy (barons not viscounts) in 1856 after Edmund was elected MP there. Even though the applicant was an MP, PK felt they were given the title because they produced and exported a high volume of flax. He said he had letters from the present Lord Fermoy saying his branch was connected to the last Roche/Fermoy group, but not closely (a classic understatement, it would seem to me). To be blunt, other members of the new Trabulgan Roches at Fermoy have been more honest on the point.
PK had sent his compilation of
the original pedigree to London, and it was generally accepted. There
was (understandably) no interest in seeing if the title could have passed to
James on Maurice's death. If PK's research
was correct, one might suspect that the brothers had a little push from older brother Maurice - it was Anglo-Irish tradition to send younger brother/s forth so that family holdings would not be fractured by sub-division. The fact that the capital of Barbados is Bridgetown, and that the Fermoy Roches had such long standing connections with Bridgetown Abbey is suggestive (but not definitive). otherwise, much stands in the way of PK's family being entitled to the Viscountcy. I think the younger generation knows this and is wise not to test for a DNA match. There is a high probability it might link them to another family entirely.
1635 Theobald Roche died.
1635 Ulicke Roche, probate, Co Cork
1635 Morris Fitz-James oge Roche, probate at Old Castle, Co Cork
1635 William Roach, probate, Co of Limerick
1636
Redmond Roche, probate, Co Cork Maurice receives a writ from Charles I via the Sheriff
of Cork to appear before the Chancellor of Ireland to show cause why certain
Letters Patent from James I should not be annulled. Lord Roche was
censured in the Star Chamber and was threatened with fines and
imprisonment if he returned to his country (Munster). Source: a letter
from Geo Rawdon to Lord Conway and Killultagh.
SHOULD THIS HAVE
NOT BEEN THE END - especially given the 1661 decision below???
Presbyterian worship is suppressed by
the Church of Ireland
1637
Viscount Fermoy, probate, Co Cork
William Roch, probate, 22 Aug, Co Limerick
1638
1639
-
Jordan onge Roche of Newcastle, Mayor and Alderman of
Limerick - forfeited property to the Crown in 1641 --- Charles I (1625-1649) --- and took exception when it was not restored under the terms of the capitulation in 1651 under Oliver Cromwell (The Commonwealth Period), not a good time to take exception to anything. Predictably, he was hanged in August [1651]. His
wife, Mourna Trawla (More) Brien Arra remarried - James Butler of
Kilmackaugh, Co Limerick. She died in 1656 leaving as orphans John,
Christian, Anstace, and Katherine. They petitioned the Commonwealth for
support and were awarded 40 pounds a year.
- David Fitz John Roche of Ardcloyne, will filed, Co Cork
- David Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
- Patrick Roch fs Richard esq. Borough of Kinsale, officer
- Philip Roch fs Richard esq. Borough of Kinsale, officer
- David Roch Fitz-John, probate, 3 April, Co Cork
- Edmond Roch Fitz-Philip, probate, Co Cork
- David Roch, probate, Co Cork
- Thomas Roch, probate, 11 Sept, Co Cork
- James Roch, probate, Co Cork
- David Viscount Fermoy, probate, Co Cork
- Ulicke Roch Fitz-James, probate, 4 Oct, Co Cork.
1640 - Oliver Cromwell imposed British rule on
Ireland. He paid soldiers and investors with land confiscated from
Anglo-Irish Catholics of the midlands.
1640
Maurice de Rupe of Fermoy, having been summoned to Parliament while
being banished to England, assigns a proxy from his address in London
(St. Martin's Tavern near Sharing Cross) in a letter to his cousin, the
Duke of Ormond (March 15).
1641
David Roch, probate, 28 April, Old Castle, Co Cork
1641
A Petition by Mary Roch, widow, prays that counsel may be assigned to her in her case against Thomas Roche and others.
The rebellion of the Gaels and old
English (Normans) against the Scots settlers in Ulster triggered an
English Civil War and put an end to the attempt by Charles I to
establish an English absolutist state in Ireland under Thomas Wentworth,
the first Earl of Strafford.
Parliamentarians were victorious in the
Civil War in 1646; Charles I was executed in January, 1649 and Cromwell
was appointed commander-in-chief in Ireland by the English Parliament
(March 30). He landed in Dublin August 15 and set upon the
Loyalists.
On Nov 20 Carrick-on-Suir was taken by Cromwellian forces. On February 3,
1650 Fethard surrendered to Cromwell; Feb. 24 Cahir surrenders; May 10 Clonmel surrenders and on May 26 Cromwell leaves Ireland.
1641 Maurice, Lord Viscount Roch of Fermoy, having earlier (17 Feb) entered a Petition of silkmen of London (the House of Commons) to commissioners of the Prince's Revenue during the Reign of Chales I was unsuccessful (See HL/PO/JO/10/4/2), Later, (1646) he was outlawed in King's Bench on
account of the Rebellion (23 Oct). The 8th Viscount was one of the
leaders of the rebellion. His wife, Lady Ellen Roche (nee Power), was hanged at Blackwater Castle for trying to defend Castletownroche. Her
husband fled to the Continent and joined the Flemish army. Other property
Lord Roche also lost by attainder included at that time:
---- Castlekifflin
---- Castletownroche
---- Castle of Cahirdowgan
---- Castle at Cariglemleary
At the same time (1641) John Roche of Castletownroche,
had his estate confiscated and was exiled to Kilrush in West Clare because he
was a member of the Catholic council of Killkenny.
[This would seem to throw a monkey wrench into PK Roach's notion that John fled to
Barbados in 1625 --- but there were so many men about with the same name
who were part of the same extended family, it does not entirely rule out
the possibility???}
-
Robert Roche son of John m. Juliana O'Moore,
Stephen Roche (Dov or Black) son of Robert, forced to Limerick, and
took up abode at Pallas. (Source: M. Anastasia Lysaght)
- Ulicke Roch, property Ballydangan, Killcullane parish.
- Ulicke Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- John Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Lord Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Theobald fitz John Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy
- John Roch fitz Ulicke, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- James Roch fitz William , proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Edmond Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Redmond Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Theobald Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- William Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Pierce Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Morris Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Edmond Roch, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- James Roch fitz Dominick, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- James Roch fitz Henry, proprietor, Barony of Armagh/Fermoy.
- Patrick John Roch, gent. of Kinsale, Admin. Bond, Cork
- Walter Roche and others took an active part in the rebellion and
are dubbed "Rebels"
1642
Walter Roche (the Rebel), Provost Marshall, hanged
Lieutenant John Esmonde of Duncannon Fort (August 20), taken prisoner in
an attack on Redmond's Hall, now Loftus Hall) in July of that year. The
Lieutenant was the nephew of Lord Esmonde, Governor of Duncannon Fort
and commander of the English Garrison there during the Rebellion.
-
William Roch of Cork, alderman, Admin. Bond
- Margaret Roch, Admin. Bond Cork
- Maurice Roche fz Patrick, mayor of Cork
- Francis Roche, sheriff of Cork
- Edmond Roche, dep. Sheriff of Cork
- Dominick Roche of Cork, Will filed, Co Cork
- Philip Fitz Maurice Roche of Cork, Will filed, Co Cork.
1642 - Lord Roche and Lord Moscry were the principle men in Munster. By
July 4th, the two had cut the food supply to Cork. A letter to Monsr.
Dwyer, a Franciscan in Rome, says most of the nobles of Ireland are up
in arms against the heretics. By February 15, Ireland was universally
revolted. The Lord of Incycoyne (Inchiquin) whose father-in-law retired
to Limerick having lost his troops to Lord Roche and Donnogh McCarthy,
was unaccounted for at that time, but would soon appear with a vengeance.
Lord Maurice Roche and the Condons by year's end had tasted defeat
at the hands of the English - losing 2-3 hundred men to Lord Inchiquin's
army. Roche's Castle was besieged. The greater part of his estates were
confiscated, and he was outlawed. The Earl of Cork and his sons indicted
Lord Roche and other Irish noblemen of treason.
Aug 2 --- Indicted of treason in Co. Cork and outlawed in the King's
Bench:
----Patrick Roch of Poulenelong, gent.
----Richard Roch of Glyn, gent.
----David Roch of Ballynologhy, gent.
----David Roch of the Island, gent.
----Richard Roch of Knockinhingin, gent.
----James Roch of Kimore, gent.
----John Roch of Ballanvallagh, gent.
----William Roch of Ringarrane, gent.
----Adam Roch of Ringarrane, gent.
----McEdmond Roch of Birne, gent.
----Rory McJames Roch of Birne, gent.
----David Roch of Cartnecource, gent.
----Thomas Roch of Aghelenane, gent.
----Ulicke Roch of Ballindangin, gent.
----John Roch of Castlekevine, gent.
----Edmond Roch of Ballenlegune, gent.
----James Roch of Keppach, gent.
----Theobald Roch of Killagh, gent.
----Thomas Roch of Ballincargeagh, gent.
----Redmond Roch of Carranadrolane, gent.
----Thomas Roch of Costoigge, gent.
----William Roch of Killeagh, gent.
----John Roch of Castletowne, gent.
----Miles Roch of Castletowne, gent.
----John Roch of Ballynemony, gent.
----Edward Roch of Castletowne, gent.
----Fs. John Theobald Roch of Castletowne, gent.
----John Roch of Ballindargin, gent.
----Fs. John Ulicke Roch of Castlekine, gent.
----William Roch of Ballinlargane, gent.
----William fs. Thomas Roch of Clostoige, gent.
----James Roche of Bullymckonikine, gent.
----David Roch of Killeigh, gent.
Philip Roche fitz Morris, elected sheriff, 13 Oct, died before
taking oath, Cork
Dominick Roche fitz Richard of Kinsale, admitted
free
Nov 3 Richard Roche, alderman, sworn in as justice of peace, Cork.
1643
1645
Captain Thomas Roche of Furlongstown, Co Wexford was appointed
temporary Governor, Duncannon Fort in March following its surrender to
Catholic Confederates. He held this position in rotation with others
until he died of the plague in the summer of 1650, just before the fort
surrendered to Cromwell's forces.
1646
Richard Roch, gent., of Dunderowe, Admin. Bond Cork
Dominick Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
1646
Dominick Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
1647
James Roche of Curecanway, will filed, Co Cork
1648
David Roch of Cortuygonroe, Admin. Bond Cork.
1649
Mouirish Patrick Roch of Cork, Admin. Bond
Morris Roche, witness, proved will, 21 March, Cork
1650
Old
landowners exiled to
Connaught - some scholars argue that England did not have full control
until all of Ireland had been conquered in 1650-3...thus
letting the Cambro-Norman allies of King Dermait (1167/1169-72) emerge from under a
cloud....so one would think (if they didn't know the Gaels).
Even the Fermoy Roches - at least the Dynasty
or Family, in power at that time - seems to have come to an end (confirmed
in 1661). It is at
such critical points that pretenders and perhaps even people with
legitimate claims appear. Proving that the blood line is in tact and that
there is an heir someplace in the world is always a difficult business. I
record the most viable, but I simply cannot determine their validity, if
any.
Joane Fitz James Roche, will filed, Co Cork
Joane Fitz James Roche, will filed, Co Cork
Joan Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
1652
Maurice, Lord of Fermoy, saw his estates by Act of Parliament
August 12 divided among Cromwell's followers and himself excluded from
pardon.
Thereafter, that branch of the family, their title
meaningless, their power lost and themselves dispersed from Munster,
dwindled and died. Members of the family become beggars, living on the
bounty of others, a state described by one Irish writer as "ignominious
diminuendo, dwindling to silence." BUT HE MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG - How
else explain Ulrich and the official demise of the line in 1733???!
Dr Morrish Roche, Irish Papist, Gentleman, Kilcoman, Co. Tipperary
(near Fethard, Co. Tipperary) - Lands (175 Acres) forfeit to the Crown
under the DECREE OF BANISHMENT October 11,1652 - listed in the Civil
Survey at Fethard, Co. Tipperary on July 28th, 1654.
James Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
1653
Co. Wexford Civil Survey 1654
[''ip" = Irish
Papist]
1654-1656 Civil Survey, Co. Wexford (assumption – duplicate
names mean more than one property?)
Barony of Gory [Gorey]
--- Redmond Roche ip
--- Walter Roche of Clonogh [Clonough] townland ip
Barony of Balakeen [Ballaghkeen]
---Redmond Roche ip
---Redmond Roche ip
Barony of Shilmaleer [Shelmaliere]
---Robert Roche ip
---Robert Roche ip
---John Roche ip
---Nicholas Roche ip
---Robert Roche ip
---Phillip Roche ip
---Robert Roche ip
---Walter Roche ip
Barony of Forth
---Alexander Roche, Assaly townland ip
---John Roche ip
Barony of Bargy
---Thomas Roch ip
---Theo Roch ip
1654
Mary Roche, self-proclaimed Viscountess Fermoy, died in jail in Cork. (Source:
Irish Confessors & Martyrs - Catholic Encyclopedia).
1655
Morrish FitzEdward Roche of Cork, merchant, prerogative will filed.
1656 Edward Roche (Roach), son of Brian Roche, Minister, Surrey - born.
Graduated Trinity 1679.
1656
Maurice Fitz Richard Roche of Dunderrow, will proved in Cork Charged with trading in merchandise at retail without
permission - in violation of a 1655 court order that no Irish papist within
the town of Kinsale
should keep open shop or sell goods by retail - March 9:
----John Roche
----Phillip Roche
1657
1659
James Roch (James the Swimmer) born at Kinsale, only son of George
Roch of Tourin and Glyn, 29 Sept. 1659.
Charles II 1660-85 (Monarchy Restored)
- May 14, 1660 - proclaimed king in Dublin. May 29, Charles
makes his formal entry into London. Nov. 30 - he makes a declaration
confirming Cromwellian soldiers and adventurers in ownership of lands in
their possession and also providing for 'innocent papists' and those who
have supported the monarchy.
1661
December - a Group of Catholics draw up
'remonstrance' declaring unqualified allegiance to the king and
disclaiming pope's authority to absolve them from such allegiance.
July 31, 1662
- Act of Settlement designed to give effect to Charles II's
declaration of Nov 30, 1660 and to resolve conflicting claims of
Cromwellians and former proprietors. Aug. 21,1663 - Closure of first court
of claims, after issuing 566 decrees of innocence to Catholics, but
leaving many claims unheard.
1661-2
Maurice of Fermoy petitioned the Lords Justice of Ireland for
help, citing the poor condition of himself and his family, one daughter
having died from want of requisite accommodation and diet. No help was
forthcoming, but a grant of some land in godforsaken Connaught or remote
Thomond. He is said instead to have gone to Flanders where he commanded
a regiment, but other reports say this was done by his son David as
Maurice was simply too old at the time of the confiscation. He could
have gone and returned? Why does nobody know - they likely don't want to
know!
1661 Decrees of Innocence granted after
Restoration of Charles II:
----Maurice Roche (but no restoration of lands or titles)
----John Roche of London, secretary in ordinary to the Queen; he and his
wife Mary claimed several lands in Co Cork in right of Philip Roche of
Kinsale, his uncle, and brother to Patrick.
----Francis Roche Fitz Edward, native of Cork, claiming Pravolgan and
several other lands, Barony of Imokelly.
----Maurice Roche, late of Cork
----Ulicke Roche and wife
----Ulicke Fitz James Roche of Ballylogh, Co of Cork, settled lands of
Balldydally Parish, of Clanmor, Barony of Fermoy, on his son and heir,
John Roche.
----Edward Roche and mother
----Richard FitzGeorge Roche of Kinsale, father of Edward Roche,
claimant, lands at Kinsale.
----Maurice Fitz John Roche of Cork, alderman, claimant of tenements in
Cork.
----Patrick Fitz Maurice Roche, native of City of Cork, son of Maurice
Roche, alderman of Cork
----Edward Roche son of Maurice Roche MD, Co Tipperary.
Richard FitzGeorge Roch of Inishonane, Admin. Bond
Edmund Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
Stephen Roch of Cork, Admin. Bond
Morris Fitz Edmd. Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork
The Seige of London)Derry is well known and is still a contributing cause of "the troubles" in NI until the present attempt to finally make peace and share power. One key figure in the success of the seige is often over-looked - I suspect he was a papist and loyalist - was one James Roche, "The Swimmer". Wounded severals times swimming dispatches from the city to the British fleet, blocked by barricade at the mouth of the River Foyle, he was initially given considerable rewards. Some of these were later withdrawn and he spent much of his life in Court and Petitioning London in this regard.
As early as 27 Jan 1663, the King of Ormond was writing from Whitehall [MS Carte 43, fol(s) 94], while throughout the period Oct 1662-Aug 1699, the Monarch was busy appointing people to office and making grants in Ireland [MS. Carte 43]. One sees Ormond pleading with the Lord Lieutenant in respect to certain lands, for Captain James Roche, about to go into Ireland. So this Captain Roche, volunteering to go into the city of Derry, an act of bravery by then, as it was starved and disease was rampant, was considered worthy of reward.
But his heroism while there added to his awards. Quite frankly, I'm sure, after the fact, there were many times when he must have wondered what had possessed him to become involved. After the battle for Derry was won, he spent the rest of his life battling for what he considered fulfillment of promises made - properties in Co Waterford and fees from ferries throughout Ireland. Ironically, I suspect, his experience turned many a "taig" loyalist into a republican Freedom Fighter. As late as 1703, we see an Act making good the provision intended for Roche out of the Estates in Ireland promised him including the Bishopric of Cloyne and the manor and lands of Donomore. By then, he would have been old and would not have lad much longer to live.
1663
Edward Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
1663 Decree of Innocence:
----Stephen Roche and Christian Roche, son of James Roche, 2nd son of
Dominick Roche, Cork alderman.
----Catherine (Donovan) Roche, widow of William Roche of Ballyanleton,
Knileenagenels, parish of Glanor, Barony of Fermoy, son/heir of Edward
Roche, dec'd.
1663
1664
Philip Roche of Kinsale, esq., prerogative will filed, Cork.
1665
Nicholas Roch of Ballynemony, gent., Admin. Bond Cork
Edmund Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
Maurice Roche fitz Richard of Downederow, esq., makes last will 30
March - bequests to Mary Roche, his wife; John Roche, brother; Patrick
Roche fitz Maurice; Edward Roche fitz Morrish, brother; Maurice Roche,
brother; Edmund Roche fitz Dominick of Kinsale; John Roche fitz John.
1666
John Roch, "Irish Papist," property Ballinloghy,
Ballinloghly parish Fermoy Lord Roch, Irish Papist, property North
Glannor, Arleagh, South Glannor, Knockaneerbally, Roharch, in Glanmor
parish
- very large "family" - difficult for even the Brits to
break that bloodline? Much of the above supposedly went to the Earle of
Ormond by Patent in 1654??? An analogy....
Note: Like Hydra - the Monster which lived in
the swamps near the ancient city of Lerna in Argolis of the Peloponnese
in classical antiquity (The Iliad), the offspring of Echidna
(half maiden - half serpent), and Typhon 100 heads); in other versions
(there are always other versions) Hydra was the offspring of Styx
and the Titan Pallas.
Hydra had the body of a serpent and
many heads (generally nine is accepted as a rule), of which one could
never be hurt by any weapon. If other heads were severed, another
(sometimes two) would grow in their place. The stench of Hydra's breath
was enough to kill man or beast (or there was a deadly venom). But, like
Hydra, the Roches of Fermoy met their Hercules.
With help from Iolaus and his flaming torch, Heracles, as he cut off
the heads from the Hydra, had Iolaus cauterize the wounds
with a flaming torch to stop them growing back. Heracles
removed all but one. It was THE head that could not be
harmed by any weapon, but, picking up a heavy club, Heracles crushed it
with a mighty blow. Then he tore it off by hand and buried it deep in the
ground, putting a huge boulder on top. Later he dipped the tips of
his arrows in the Hydras' blood, extremely poisonous, making them
completely deadly.
Other legends say that a stray arrow set fire to the forest, and it
was burning tree trunks Heracles ripped up and used to cauterize the
open wounds. Whatever - it worked - metaphorically speaking of
course - but aren't metaphors all about life???
1733 Ulicke Roche, commonly called Lord Viscount
Fermoy, prerogative Will filed, Cork ---- the main line at Fermoy became extinct when Ulicke
Roche died. He was certainly not like the other heads and may not
have been a valid one. What does "commonly called" imply? It took Hercules
(England) and friends a long time to get that last head. Even then, after a
century or more had past, they created a new, more manageable one (Trabolgan),
of lesser status. And even it bit them in the end!
1666 - cont'd.
GARRETT ROCH, living in Carentobarmore, the Barony of Middle Third (later Co Tipperary), Parish of Knockgrapfford and Outerath Ends, [Source:1666 Hearth Records].
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FitzJohn Roch, property Scrubboe, Glanmor parish
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Theobald Roch, property Killathy, Killathy parish.
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Theobald Roch, minor heir of Ulicke Roch, Irish papist, property
Rohan, Ballymcleely, Raghan parish
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Theobald Roch, property Feedonsheedon, Ballygarrett, Raghan Parish
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Theobald Roch, minor, property Knockbracke, Monny, Raghan Parish
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Lord Roch, Pierce Roch, Irish papist, property Ballyheene and
Ballinvogher, Castletown; Ballinterma, Bridgeroone, Park I Cunna,
Killhomer, Clanmore, Ballinglogh, Ballydoghe and Ballyhorin,
Ballomalteberg, Lisnagormine and Killestaline, Ballchimacke,
Ardkittihine, Killballilogan, Ballinelick, Killiroderry, Garreskalo,
Grange, Balledagh, all Castletowne parish.
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Lord Roch, Irish papist, property Carrighnane, Raghan parish
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Lord Roch, property Carrighonane, Mclaro parish
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Lord Roch, Irish papist, property Ballinhallick, Ballynovlan,
Carrigdonoman parish
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Lord Roch, property Ballytrasnagh, Wallstowne parish
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Lord Roch, property GortonConsty, Clenor parish
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Lord Roch, Irish papist, property Ballonebrylabogg, Ballostskell,
Rathmarycony, Ballthey parish.
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Morris Roch, Irish papist, property Ballovosky, Raghan parish
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Morris Roch, property Ballyellish, Ballydahin, Carriganshoneene,
Mclaro parish
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Maurice Lord Roch, property Balladonall, KarraghTherry, Cahirdougan
parish.
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Maurice Lord Roch, property Drumdier, Clenor parish.
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Maurice Roch, property Killure, Ballygowne, Ballygrany, Kippagh,
Clenor parish.
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Edmond Roch, Irish papist, property Cahirdougan, Cahirdougan parish
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Edmond Roch, property Killure, Clenor parish
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Edmond Roch, property East Dromagh, West Dromagh, Templerrenty
parish.
- James Roch fitz Dominick, Mallow, property Richardstowne, Glencomore,
Carraghashonsy, Cahirdougan parish.
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James Roch McHenry, property Ballydunyne, Cahirdougan parish.
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Redmond Roch, Irish papist, property Killnacone, Cahirdougan
Parish.
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Redmond Roch fitz James, Irish papist, property Carrandrolan,
Lackbrack, Carrigdononan parish.
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Ulicke Roch of Ballydangan, property Carrigdononan, Carrigdononan
parish.
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Ulicke Roch fitz John, property CastleKiffin, Ballingrane, Rahduffe,
Clenor parish.
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Ulicke Roch, property Killure, Ballygowne, Clenor parish.
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Maurice Fitz Richard Roche of Dunderrow, will filed, Co Cork
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Edmund Fitz Ed. Roche, Cork, merchant, admin. grant
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Maurice Fitz Ed. Roche, gent., Cork, admin. grant.
1667
1668
1669
Maurice Fitz Ed. Roche of Cork, esq., prerog. will Edmond Fitz Ed.
Roche of Cork, esq., admin grant 1670 Maurice Roche of Fermoy (rebel) dies. Edmund Roche of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
1671 Francis Fitz Ed. Roche of Cork, esq., prerog. will
1672 James Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
1674 Colonel David Roche, Viscount Fermoy, petitions seeking restoration
of lands in Carriglemleary, castle of Derryvillane, Does-castle, castle
of Ballygogan, castle of Rathgogan, as well as the abbey of Bridgetown
in Glanworth.
1675 Amy Roche of Cloyne, widow, Admin. Bond Cork John Roch of Ballindangin, Admin. Bond Cork Ulicke Roch of Ballindangin, Admin. Bond Cork
1676 Ed. Fitz Maurice Roche of Cork, merchant, admin. grant
1677 All post-secondary national education in Ireland had been destroyed, except for those of the Protestant Ascendancy. Every Irish student had to seek it in exile - with or without resources. One can imagine the impact - every ambitious and gifted Irishman or those called the Old English had to scatter all over Europe, which in turn benefitted from their current and especially future contributions, while Ireland foundered. Only those who sought the monastery could ever later contribute to their country of origin - and some would debate that.
1678 Alderman Dominic, b. 1630 - d, 1701, (descendent of Jordan onge Roche --- Jordan hanged in 1651, Newcastle, Co Limerick) after forfeiting much land and property in 1656-7, again
holding property in 1678.
1679
Martha Roche m. Robert Lundie, Cloyne
1680
1681
Lord David Roche of Fermoy was thrown in prison in
London, a
great object of charity to quote the Earl of Arran in a letter to the
Duke of Ormond in Dublin. David died that same
year, without offspring, and having served in the
army of Charles II. His offense is not recorded.
John, brother of David was next in line for a worthless title,
Viscount of Fermoy (the 9th). But, in 1674, Charles had given him and
his two sisters, Amye and Blanche, a pension of 200 pounds a year until
some vacancy become available in the establishment. He married Catherine
Condon, and they had two sons and a daughter Eleanor.
1682
James Roach, gent., of Kilworth, Co. Cork, com. grant.
1683
Elizabeth Roch of Cork, widow, Admin. Bond
Elizabeth Roch and James Blanchflower, marriage license bond, Cork
1683 Redmond Roch, esq., of Ballyhinden, Co. Cork, prerog. will.
1684
James Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
James Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
James II 1685-88
1685-1705 French Huguenots seek asylum
in Ireland - some of the Roche name (and its Continental variants) among
them. For more on the Roche-Huguenot connection, see: Descendants
of Huguenots of La Rochelle, France
1686
Anne Roch m. Morgan Higgins, in Cloyne
John Roch of Kineigh, Admin. Bond Cork.
1687
1688
James II deposed -- William III 1688-1702
& Mary 1688-94 declared Joint Monarchs
1689
James Roch (James the Swimmer) born at Kinsale, only son of George
Roch of Tourin and Glyn (Glen), Colonel in the Williamite army, swam to
fame in the Catholic siege of Londonderry. He swam between the
town and the fleet of General Kirke, barred from entry by a boom placed
in Lough Foyle. He carried dispatches and was wounded in action four
times by Catholics shooting at him from the river bank. Originally
rewarded by William III with fifteen estates and toll collections from
certain ferries in Ireland, he later lost the estates by the Act of
Resumption and many lawsuits against him.
In lieu, he requested of the
Crown an estate in Co Waterford (forfeited lands - 1425 acres - of
James Everard) and a sum of money. There are several variations of this
story - including Roch's burial in Churchtown graveyard at which a
scathing eulogy in Gaelic was supposed to have caused his headstone to
split in two - fanciful but colorful??? Patrick Roche named overseer,
Kinsale Patrick Roche, one of auditors of chamberlain's accts., Kinsale Thomas Roche sworn constable of Lower Fysher St., Kinsale.
1690-1 --- William of
Orange/Battle of the Boyne --- William defeats King James II & the Treaty of Limerick penalizes
public worship by RCs and Presbyterians
1690 "Outlaws"
----David Roche of Agharne, esq., Cork, outlawed for high treason:
----Philip Roch of Brickfieldstone, esq., Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Farta, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Michael Roch of Powlenelong, esq., Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Ballymisig, gent., Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Fartagh, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Richard Roch of Kinsale, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Maurice Roch of Kinsale, gent., Cork, outlawed
----John Roch of Kinsale, esq., Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Kinsale, esq., Cork, outlawed
----David Roch of Eniskean, esq., Cork, outlawed
----John Roch of Baltymore, esq., Cork, outlawed
----Joasus Roch of Knocknamanna, gent., Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Kinneary, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Maurice Roch of Kinsale, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Stephen Roch of Curnarnahy, gent., Cork, outlawed
----Stephen Roch, merch., Cork City, outlawed
----Dominick Roch, vintner, Cork City, outlawed
----Andrew Roch, gent., Cork City, outlawed
----Theobald Roch of Ballydahin, esq., Co Cork, outlawed
1690
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Edward Roche, provost/sovereigne of Kinsale
Philip Roch of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond.
- John Roch FitzEdward, gent., Kilkenny City
- Patrick Roch of Keirane, gent., Co Wexford
- John Roch of Ballyardin, gent., Co Wexford
- Edward Roch of Ballyardin, gent., Co Wexford
- David Roch of Wexford, gent., Co Wexford
- Edmund Roch of Killahally, gent., Co Waterford
- Edward Roch of Curragheene, gent., Co Waterford
- David Roch of Curragheene, gent., Co Waterford
- Edward Roch of Curragheene, gent., Co Waterford
- John Roch of Hussabegg, gent., Co Clare
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1690 Edward Roche sworn sovereigne for ensuing year, Kinsale - 29
Sept.
1691
Catherine (Heyman) Roch and Thomas Meade, marriage license bond,
Cork.
1691-98
"Outlaws"
----James Roch of Island Finch, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
----Maurice Roch of Kinsale, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
----John Roch, son of John of Gallylooge, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
----Philip Roch of Peinbelong, gent., C0 Cork, outlawed
----James Roch of Island Finch, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
----Patrick Roch, called Roch of Fountainestown, gent., Co Cork,
outlawed
----Philip Roch of Ballinthes, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
----David Roch of Ardlinbridge, gent., Co Cork, outlawed
1692
John Roch, Wexford, gent., pardoned
Patrick Roche of Nohevall, farmer, Admin. Bond Cork
Major James Roch of Kilgany, Co Waterford - pardoned 6 May.
1693
George Roche, born, son of Richard Roche, clergyman, Limerick.
At Trinity in 1709.
1693
Elizabeth Roch and Thomas Thompson, marriage license bond, Cork
Richard Roch and Isabella Busby, marriage license bond, Cork
James Roch (Colonel - the Swimmer) married Elizabeth, dau of
William Gough, g. dau of Dr. Francis Gough, C of I Bishop of Limerick.
They later had a daughter, Mary, b. 1694 and a son, William, b. 1695.
1694
John, brother of David, son of Maurice of Fermoy dies. O'Hart has
him killed fighting for James II in the Battle of Aughrim, 1691, but The
Complete Peerage disagrees - a genealogist's delight!
David Roche succeeds his father. He was an officer in the Royal
Navy, but drowned at Plymouth in a great storm in 1703
Phillip Roche, probate, 15 Aug, Co Cork
Dominick Roch of Cahirvagha, Co Limerick, pardoned - 23 Nov
Edmund Roch of Dunderrow, Co Cork, outlawry, pardoned - 8 June.
1695 - 1728 Penal Laws against Catholics
were enacted to strip the "backward" Catholic
population of remaining land, positions of influence and civil rights.
Catholics could no longer practice law, run for elected office, purchase
land, or own property (such as horses) valued at more than 5 pounds. By
1778, Irish Catholics would own a mere 5% of Irish land. The Catholic
educational system was outlawed, and priests who did not conform to the
laws could be branded on the face or castrated. Catholic clergy were banished
and forbidden to keep registers (a modern genealogists worst
nightmare). As a result, Catholic services and education were
forced underground.
Professor Lecky a British Protestant and ardent British sympathizer
outlined the Penal Laws as follows:
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The Irish Catholic was forbidden the exercise of his religion.
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He was forbidden to receive education.
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He was forbidden to enter a profession.
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He was forbidden to hold public office.
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He was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
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He was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five
miles thereof.
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He was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five
pounds.
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He was forbidden to own land.
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He was forbidden to lease land.
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He was forbidden to accept a mortgage on land in security for a
loan.
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He was forbidden to vote.
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He was forbidden to keep any arms for his protection.
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He was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
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He was forbidden to buy land from a Protestant.
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He was forbidden to receive a gift of land from a Protestant.
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He was forbidden to inherit land from a Protestant.
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He was forbidden to inherit anything from a Protestant.
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He was forbidden to rent any land that was worth more than 30
shillings a year.
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He was forbidden to reap from his land any profit exceeding a
third of the rent.
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He could not be guardian to a child.
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He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under
Catholic guardianship.
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He could not attend Catholic worship.
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He was compelled by law to attend Protestant worship.
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He could not himself educate his child.
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He could not send his child to a Catholic teacher.
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He could not employ a Catholic teacher to come to his child.
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He could not send his child abroad to receive education.
Lecky said in his "History of Ireland in the 18th Century"
that the object of the Penal Laws was threefold: "To
deprive Catholics of all civil life; to reduce them to a condition of
extreme, brutal ignorance; and, to disassociate them from the
soil." Lecky said, "He might, with absolute justice,
substitute Irish for Catholic," and added a
fourth objective: "To expatriate the race."
1697
Joseph Roche (Roach), born, son of George Roche, alderman,
Limerick. At Trinity 1717
1697 Thomas Roch of Ringcurrane, mariner, Admin. Bond Cork.
1699
Francis Roch of Limerick, Co Limerick, pardoned 3 June. Irish
follower of King James II, 1685-1699, outlawed and pardoned by King
William III, 1689-99.
Julian Roch m. Edmund Cudmore, Cloyne
William Roche, born, son of George Roche, Alderman, Limerick. Grad
Trinity 1721.
1700
Charles De La Roche, Huguenot, having previously been an assistant
to Rev. Balaguier in Portarlington and having served at Clonmel in 1699,
was a minister of the French Church from 1700-1702 at St. Patrick's
Cathedral, Dublin - sharing space with their hosts. By 1706, he was
chaplain to Col. Fontjulian of Lord River's Brigade.
Col. James Roch, the Swimmer, second marriage to Elizabeth, dau of
Benjamin Hammerton. They had a son, James, b. 1702
1701
Act of Settlement: Toward the end of 1700 William III was ill and childless; his sister-in-law, the prospective queen, Anne, had just lost her only surviving child; and abroad the supporters of the exiled king, James II, were active. It was therefore decreed that, in default of issue to either William or Anne, the crown was to pass to Sophia, electress of Hanover, granddaughter of James I, and to "the heirs of her body being Protestants." The act thus paved the way for the accession of the House of Hanover in 1714 after the reign of Queen Anne (1702-1714).
Honor Roch and Daniel Kenelly, marriage license bond, Cork
Anne I - 1702-14
1702-41
James Roch, as above, born at Glyn Castle, near Carrick on Suir,
later of Dungarvan, twice married.
1702
George Roche [Protestant] was Mayor and became an MP for Limerick.
A practical family, where land and property were concerned, they hedged
their bets (some RC and some C of I), and burnt or 'lost' records, a
great shame for present historians, but extremely pragmatic.
Catherine Roch and James Galway, marriage license bond, Cork
Catherine Roche and Edmund Allen, marriage license bond, Cork
Maurice Roche and Mary Meskell, marriage license bond, Cork.
1703
Ulicke Roche succeeds to the dormant title Viscount of Fermoy on the
drowning death of his brother David at Plymouth. He was a poor man
occasionally receiving some financial aid from the English
establishment. He married a widow, Anne Purcell of Northumberland and
died childless in 1733. His widow outlived him by thirty years, but still
styled herself the Viscountess of Fermoy in her Will.
Ellinor Roch m. David Cooshine, Cloyne
Luke Roche of St. Finbarry, mariner, Admin. Bond Cork
Richard Roche and Catherine Archdeacon, marriage license bond, Cork.
1704 - Penal Code
Addendum - RCs denied vote and
right to military service
1704
David Roch and Mary Hughes, marriage license bond, Cork
Annstas Roche and Henry Meskill, marriage license bond, Cork
Catherine Roche and Gilbert Harper, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Luke Roche and Jane Whitford, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1705
Mary Roche and Thomas MacNamara, marriage license bond, Cork.
1706
Anne Roche and William Tensley, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Edward Roche and Elizabeth Browne, marriage license bond, Cork
Mary Roche and Isaac Harding, marriage lic. bond, Cork
1707
Phillip Roche of Kilbrogan, Admin. Bond Cork
Phillip Roche of St. Finbarr, mariner, Admin. Bond Cork
James Roche and Joan/Jane Roche, marriage license bond, Cork
1708
Alexander Roche m. Bridget Synnott, Cloyne
Ellen Roch and William Power, marriage license bond, Cork
Mary Roche and Nicholas Cook, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1709 - Over 6500 German Palatines settle in
Ireland; 200 families leave for Britain the following year, 1710
1709
Jon. Roche esq. of Ballyfiarde, Admin. Bond Cork
Bridget Roche and John Rice, marriage license bond, Cork
Phillip Roche and Mary Hungerford, marriage lic.bond, Cork
1710
Andrew Roch and Mary Lovekin, marriage lic. bond, Cork
1711
Edward Roche esq. of Trabolgan and his wife, Mrs. Mary Archdeacon,
of Monkstown, both died in the same hour 23 Jan. Castle on the
Bandon River, owned by Roches who also owned its village, Dunderrowe.
1712
Patrick Roche and Mary Ray, marriage license bond, Cork
Sibill Roche and Thomas Price, marriage license bond, Cork
1713
Elizabeth Roche m. John Meade, Cloyne
George Roche MP (and in 1715). He was Mayor of
Limerick in 1702 and again in 1721
John Roche, born, son of Richard Roche, gent., Dublin. At Trinity, 1729
Jane Roche and John Gwykin, marriage license bond, Cork.
1714
Roche v. Roche: Ireland; Court of the Chancery; Six Clerks Office: Pleadings 1678, Bridges, National Archives, Kew, UK - Ruling 1714
Danan v Roche; Ireland; Court of the Chancery; Six Clerks Office: Pleadings 1678, Bridges, National Archives, Kew, UK - Ruling 1714
Thomas Roche of St. Peters, painter, Admin. Bond Cork
Anne Roche and Robert Mason, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Edmond Roche esq. of Ringabelly, Co Cork, prerogative Will filed.
George I (1714-27 --- first of the House of
Hanover)
1715
Margaret Roche and John Lane, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1716
Mary Roche and Francis Flaherty, marriage lic.bond, Cork
Edward Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
Edward Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork.
1717
Phillip Roche of Tullagh, gent., Admin. Bond Cork
Andrew Roche of Carrune, Will filed, Co Cork.
1719
John Roache, father of Redmond and William, born. Died 1794
George Roche and Mary Wood, marriage lic. bond, Cork
John Roche of Skibbereen, will filed, Co Cork.
1720
Thomas Roche of St. Mary Shandon, Admin. Bond Cork
George Roche and Mary Manton, marriage lic. bond, Cork
James Roche and Honor Barry, marriage license bond, Cork
Richard Roche and Joanna Allin, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Theobald Roche and Honora Callaghans, marriage license bond, Cork
1721
Garret Roche m. Catherine McAllister, Cloyne
James Roche and Catherine Cowrcey, marriage license bond, Cork
1722
Col. James Roch, the Swimmer, died that December, aged 65 years
Jane Roche and John Bickford, marriage license bond, Cork
Luke Roche and Joana Vickery, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Margaret Roche and John Searls, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1723
Mary Roche m. Clement Skiddy, Cloyne
Maurice Roch of Ardnegeehy, Admin. Bond Cork
1724
1726
Catherine Roche m. Thomas Power, Cloyne
Maurice Roche of Ballytibbitt, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I,
Cork
1727
Andrew Roche of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
Mary Roch and Frances Kearney, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Toxteth Roch, Limerick, alderman - died 4 Jan.
Toxteth Roch, will proved 21 March. Wife, Ann. Children - Ann,
Elizabeth, Catherine, Richard, Francis, & Thomas.
George II
---1727-60
1728
Catherine Roche of Cacturk, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
Luke Roche, mariner: Executor of William Holland, Kinsale, Ireland - Bundle 27, Part II, Prerogative Court of Canterbury - Filed Engrossed Eighteenth Century Inventories.
1729
Philip Roche of Cork, Admin. Bond
Catherine Roche and John Watts, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1730
James Roch and Melian Holmes, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Catherine Roche and Patrick Galwy, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1731
Maurice Roche of Cork, gent., Admin. Bond
Jane Roche and George Chapman, marriage lic. bond, Cork
David Roche of d. of w., will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork.
1732
David Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork
Martha Roch and Abraham Chatterton, marriage license bond, Cork
1733
Ulicke Roche, commonly called Lord Viscount Fermoy, prerogative
will filed, Cork ---- the main line at Fermoy became extinct when Ulicke
Roche died without offspring.
Given the flight of Maurice to Flanders and the hanging
of his wife (Ellen Power Roche) at Castletownroche, a century earlier, I
can't explain much of what happened in the interim - at least not in any
rational way. The extended family is said to have declined into genteel
poverty with the occasional handout from wealthy sympathizers. But there
is a body of opinion which claims that the main line at Fermoy became
extinct when Ulicke Roche died in 1733. Various reputed cousins appear
around this time, as must have been the case previously, and there is
evidence that other branches of the family (like Ulicke's - below) held land in the area late
into the 1700s.
William Roche of Ballylegane, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I,
Cork.
1734
Arthur Roche second Bailiff of Limerick - Mayor in 1743, 1756 and
1760
George Roche, born, son of Arthur Roche, gent., Limerick.
1735
John Roche, born, brother of Patrick and Michael
Mary Roch and George Thompson, marriage lic. bond, Cork
John Roche, gent., of Thibbereen, Co. Cork, admin. grant.
1736
Philip Roche and Elizabeth Norris, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Theobald Roche and Joan Copinger, marriage license bond, Cork.
1737
James Roche of Cork, merch., Admin. Bond
William Roch and Catherine Cogan, marriage lic.bond, Cork
John Roche of Carrignagrough, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I,
Cork.
1738
Alice Roche and John Swetnam, marriage lic. bond, Cork
Francis Roche and Ann Dodge, marriage license bond, Cork
Margaret Roche and Sylvester Nunan, marriage license bond, Cork
David, son of George, Alderman and second Bailiff of Limerick -
Mayor the next year, 1739.
1739
Rev. Henry Roche, Dean of Ferns; PP Nicholas Roche and Paul Roche
PP, Co Wexford.
1740-1
James Roch, son of James the Swimmer, succeeded by his eldest son
James of Odell Hall and Woodbine Lodge. He too married twice and had two
children, a dau Melian (1st marriage) who later married Sampson Roch and
had three sons, and George Butler (2nd marriage) 1784-1859. George of
Woodbine Hill, Co. Waterford in turn was succeeded by eldest son George
of Woodbine Hill and Rochestown, Co. Cork 1819-1894.
1740
John Roche, born, father of David. Died 1816
John Roche of Douglas, Cork, Admin. Bond George Roche, Limerick, Esq. 13 June 1740. Codicil 4 Dec. 1740.
Narrate, 1 p., 14 May 1741. His wife Mary Roche, extx. Francis Bindon
and David Bindon, both of Dublin, Esqrs., trustees. His sons David and
Joseph Roche. Towns and lands of Ballybigg, Co. Cork. Faranfierish [Farranferris]
in the city of Cork. Several houses and tenements in city of
Cork, and all other lands etc. in the city, the county of the city and the county of
Cork. Will and codicil witnessed by: Samuel Bindon,
Templemongreld of the city of Limerick, Esq., Ann Bindon,
spinster, daughter of said Samuel Bindon, Francis Mold, then of said
city of Limerick and now of Dublin, spinster. Memorial witnessed by:
Frances Mold, Thos. Gloster, Limerick, gent. & Thos. Caffery, Dublin,
yeoman.
1741 Philip Roche of Cork, gent., Admin. Bond Mary Roche and Dennis McCarthy, marriage lic. bond, Cork.
1742 John Roche of Cork, gent., Admin. Bond John Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork Elen Roche and Edward Smith, marriage license bond, Cork.
1743 Thomas Roche and Ann Evanson, marriage lic. bond, Cork Martha Roche and Francis Townsend, marriage license bond, Cork.
1744 Edmd. Roche of Cork, shopkeeper, Admin. Bond Ellinor Roche of Cork (d. Of w.), will filed, Co Cork Benjamin Roche of Limerick died 13 Feb Benjamin Roche of Limerick, will proved 24 April; executor brother,
Arthur Roche of Limerick. 1745 Sarah Roche and Robert Stevelly, marriage lic. bond, Cork James Roche of Dublin, esq., admin. grant.
1746 John Roche of Glin, Co Limerick, yeoman, witness in suit.
1747 George Roch of Bandon, merch., Admin. Bond Cork Eliz. Roche, widow, prerog. will, Cork John Roche of Ballindangan, cousin to Ulicke, who had assumed title
of Lord Roche, a general officer in King of Sardinia's Service, was sent
several times to prevent French and Spaniards passing the Alps into
Italy. He was honored for his "brave defence" at Augusta,
Exiles and Casal where with 600 men he was besieged for 32 days against
an army of 25,000. He was a prisoner of war, but returned to the King of
Sardinia's army in June 1747. Some reports have him dying that year and
other in 1777 (without mention of a Christian name - surname only).
Burke's Dormant Peerages, 1866, say that following his death, the title
was not assumed until Edmund Burke Roche of Trabolgan was elevated to
the Peerage almost a hundred years later as Baron Fermoy (10 September
1856). Yet see 1788 - Jordan Roche. [The Trabolgan Peerage was Baron
- and created - not an assumption of the rank of Viscount]. At this
point, the whole matter begins to verge on the ridiculous!
1748 Edmond Roche and Barbara Hennessy, marriage license bond, Cork Margaret Roche, spinster, admin. grant, Cork James Roche, esq., admin. grant, Cork.
1749
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Thos. Roche, merchant of Limerick, m. in Dublin, Miss F. Archbold,
dau. of Jas. Archbold, merchant, Bride St., Limerick 24 June
- Ellen Roche of Cork, shopkeeper, Admin. Bond
- James Roche and Cassandra Parker, marriage license bond, Cork
- Mary Roche and Thomas Harris, marriage lic. bond, Cork
- John Roche of Dromskeny, land suit, Barony of Dunhallow, Cork
- James Roch of Killarney, will filed, Cork
- Joseph Ulicke Roche, admin. grant, Cork
- James Roche of Dublin, esq., admin. grant
- James Roch of Co. Cork, com. grant.
1750
Ann Roche and John Hales, marriage license bond, Cork
Edmond Roch of Cork, esq., prerogative will filed
James Roche, admin. grant, Cork.
1751
Michael Roche, born, brother of Patrick and John, died 1807
Walter Roche of Dublin, admin. grant.
1752
Maurice Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork
Thomas Roche and Susanna Benfield, marriage license bond, Cork
Frances Roch (Roche) and Butler Townsend, marriage license bond,
Cork. Townsend at Trinity College, 1723; priest at Cork, 1743. Frances
dau. of John Roche, West Carberry. No issue
John Roche and Ellen Duvane, marriage license bond, Cork.
1753
Richard Roch, Colemanna, Co Carlow - Leighlin Wills 1652-1800
James Roche, born, son of Edmund Roche, soldier, Cork. Trinity 1769
Francis Roche of Hollyhill, will filed, Co Cork
Edmond Roche of Cork, esq., prerog. will.
1754
1755
William Roache, son of John Roache, born. Died 1802.
1756
John Roche of Timoleague, will filed, Co Cork
John Roche of Timoleague, will proved, Cork
Hellen orw Roche, White, Glin, Co. Limerick, admin. grant.
1757
John Ward, (tax) collector for Ross, Co Wexford, petitions the Commissioner of Revenue for Ireland in Dublin requesting instructions on how to account for money belonging to the Crown but stolen from his mansion by Thomas Roche, William Cleary and others [27 Jan 1757].
David Roch of Lisduff, farmer, Admin. Bond Cork
Ellen orw Roche, White, of Ballynotty, Co. Limerick, admin. grant.
1758
Patrick Roche of Ballywenus, will filed, Cloyne Diocese,
C of I, Cork
Catherine Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
Catherine Roche of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
William Roche of Lissahane, Co. Cork, gent., prerog. will.
1759
-
Catherine Roche, dau. of John Roche of Limerick m. James Lombard
Nov 22
-
Andrew Roche of Bandon, will proved, Cork.
-
Philip Roche, gent., of Ballinluge, Co Cork, prerogative will filed
-
Andrew Roche of Bandon, will filed, Co Cork
-
Philip Roche of Cork, merchant, prerog. will.
1760
Roche's Mint, King Street, Dublin - By 1760 small coppers were scarce in Ireland. No royal Irish farthings had been issued since 1744 and no royal Irish halfpence since 1755. Both were to be minted in 1760, but did not arrive in Ireland until 1762. So underweight Voce Populi farthings and halfpence appeared in Dublin, all with the date 1760. They have been attributed to a man named Roche, a button maker and may have been produced through 1761 using the same dies. Production seems to have stopped by 1762 when the regal 1760 coppers finally arrived, but both the regal and Voce coppers continued to circulate. Over time, they were replaced by regal George III Irish halfpence, but there were also many lightweight counterfeit and imitation Irish coppers in use.
George III 1760-1820
1761
1762
William Roche of Cork City
Thomas Roche of Kinsale
John Roche of HMS Torbay, will filed, Co Cork
Margaret Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork.
1763
James Roche listed at Trinity College
George Roche of Bandon, clothier, Admin. Bond Cork
Ellen Roche, Admin. Bond Cork
Anna Maria (Purcell) Roche, Viscountess Fermoy, prerogative will
filed, Cork.
1764
Francis Roche of Cork, coach maker, prerog. will
Mary Roche of Cork, widow, admin. grant.
1765
Died -- Wife of Thomas Roche of Limerick.
1766
Patrick Roche, Garristowne, Co Carlow - Leighlin Wills 1652-1800
1767
Edmund Roche appointed Justice of Peace for Cork, 28 Dec
Thomas Roach, Gerrenleen, Co Carlow - Prerogative Wills 1536-1810
1768
John Roche Jr. of Cork m. Peggy Ellis of Brown St., Cork - 14 March.
1769
Mary Roche orw. Byrne, admin. grant, Cork.
1770
Mary Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork
Wife of John Roche, Clerk of St. Paul's Church, Cork - died May 11.
James Roche born (1770-1853) author of "Essays of an
Octogenarian" pursued a career in business and politics in Paris,
Bordeaux and Cork.
1771
Edward Roche, born, son of Edmund Roche, gent., Cork. Trinity 1789.
Captain David Roche, 1770s (English or Irish) - wrote a book about the duel he had with a Lieut. Ferguson on his way to India in 1771 at the Cape of Good Hope. The book was, "A Plain And Circumstantial Account of the Transactions Between Capt. Roche and Lieut. Ferguson from their First Meeting to the Death of Lieut. Ferguson: The Trial and Depositions at the Cape of Good Hope" London; Sold by G. Allen, No. 59, Pater Noster Row, MDCCLXXV.
David Roche, Esq. obtained a Captain's command in the service of the HEIC (Honourable East India Company) in May 1772. He and his wife embarked on board the Vansittart for Bombay. During the voyage, Ferguson repeatedly tried to provoke Roche and once asked him to duel. Ashore at the Cape, September 4, 1773, Roche was taking a walk around 5 pm when he was attacked by Ferguson. In the fight that ensued, Ferguson was killed.
Capt. Roche later took a French ship to Bombay, provided by the Dutch Governor at the Cape of Good Hope. He had been imprisoned in Bombay but was later acquitted. By 1775 he was back in England.
1772-95 Catholic Relief Acts gradually
restore rights taken away under the Penal Laws - it would be another
decade before they could own land.
1772
John Roache - died March 27 - Castletownroche
Margaret Roche of St. Finbarrys, widow, Admin. Bond Cork
William Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork
Rev. George Roche Mayor of Limerick.
1774
John Roach born in Tintern Parish, Co Wexford. He married there and was among
the first Roaches of Avalon in Newfoundland without a wife but with
Irish-born son, Nicholas. John died in NF in 1841 aged 67 years.
Francis Roche esq. - seat recorded as Holly-hill
1775
John Roche, witness, proved will, Cork - Aug 19.
1776
John Roche esq., only son of Philip Roche esq. of Limerick City m.
Miss Whyte, dau. of Chas. Whyte esq. of Granby Row, Cork - Oct 14
Mary Roch m. Joseph King, Cloyne
Thomas Roche of Dublin, esq., Prerogative Wills 1536-1810.
1777
Nicholas Roch, Colemanna, Co Carlow - Leighlin Wills 1652-1800
Grace Roch m. John Atkinson, Cloyne
Joan ROCHE wife of John DUANE - he died 1777 age 44 - Mologga Cemetery,
Templemologga/Kildorrery area, North-East Co Cork.
1778
James Roche (otherwise WOULFE) executed for the theft of 14 sheep
from Derby SULLIVAN of Glasheen. All such executions took place at
Gallows Green (present-day Lough Road), Co Cork.
Nicholas Roche, born, son of Benjamin Roche, gent., Co Carlow. At
Trinity 1792.
1779
Francis Roche, d age 55, Mologga Cemetery, Co Cork
John Roche m. Catherine Sandys, Cloyne
Thomas Roche, footman, Kenmare Estate
John Roche, son to Nicholas Roche, property Coollicky (Kenmare
Estate records).
1780
David Roche m. Mary Rea, Cloyne
David Roche, mariner HMS Ambuscade, will filed, Cork.
1781
Ann Roche m. George Broadbrook, Cloyne
John Roche Jr. of Cove m. Miss Collins, dau. of Capt. Collins of
Cove (Cobh) - 30 Apr
John Roche, born - later husband of Johanna Walsh. Died 1809.
1782 May 4 - Catholic Relief Act -
allows Catholics to acquire land.
1783
Stephen Roche Jr. of Limerick
John Roche esq., Limerick
John Roche, witness, proved will, 27 March, Cork.
1784
Tobias Roach, of Carriganes, born. Died June
1864.
1785
John Roche of Killarney, Co Kerry
Cassandra Roche of Carhue, will filed, Co Cork
Widow of Philip Roche d. March 3 at Clougheen nr. Clonskilty aged
100 years
Miss Roche, niece of Philip Roche, Limerick m. John Meade, son of
Thomas Meade, linen draper, 10 Sept.
1786
Gerard Roache of Killarney, Co Kerry
Thomas Roche, ship chandler on the Quay, Limerick died 26 March.
1787
1788
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Jordan Roche dies (Walker's Hibernian Magazine, September Issue).
They try to link Sir Boyle Roche (1743-1807), the politician it said intended to lay claim.
But the title was allowed to (yet again) lapse. He died without male issue.
- James Roche m. Anne Allen, Cloyne
- Thomas Roche Jr. of Beakfield, Co Tipperary, m. Miss O'Brien, dau.
of Col. Jas. O'Brien at Ennistymon, seat of Edw. O'Brien esq. - 8 Oct
- Died Thomas Roche, living in Rotterdam, purchased an estate in Co
Kilkenny in 1787, leaving Stephen Roche of Limerick as heir at law (Oct)
- Philip Roche; merchant; Rutland-place office; Mary-Street, Limerick
- Stephen John Roche; merchant; George's-quay, Limerick
- Stephen Roche esq., son of John, m. dau. of Dr. Ankettle, Limerick,
Oct 1
- David Roche Jr; grocer and spirit-merchant; Mary-street, Limerick
- Thomas Roche; ship-chandler; Merchant's-quay, Limerick
- Philip Roche; merchant/haberdasher; Mary-street, Limerick
1789
Master Philip Roche, son of Stephen Roche, grandson of John, died
22 May
Miss Roche, dau. of Stephen Roche, granddaughter of John m. Francis French of Port Carrow, Co Galway
Patrick Roche, father of James, died
Thomas Roche of Rotterdam, Holland, merchant, admin. grant.
1790
Thomas Roach b in Kerry, died in 1854 in Bala Clava, Russia,
Crimean War m Ellen SAVAGE, daughters: Ellen & Bridget
John Roche, born, son of John Roche, esq., Cork. At Trinity
Sir Boyle Roche was M.P. for Tralee ---1790-98
1791 - United Irishmen founded (Belfast)
by Theobald Wolfe Tone
1791
Ellen Roche of Tralee, will filed, Cork.
1792
Ulicke Roche m. Ruth Philpott, Cloyne
Mrs. Thomas Roche, d. near Skibbereen, 28 June
Miss Roche, dau of John of Cobh, m John Thomas Keane esq. of Cloyne
Michael Roche b., Carriganes; d. 1879
Thomas Roche of Moyge, Admin. Bond Cloyne Diocese.
1793 - RCs given the Vote
1793
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John Roche, born, son of John Roche, gent., Kerry. At Trinity 1811
-
Rev. James Roche of Kinsale, Admin. Bond Cork
-
James Roche of Chamballymore, d. of w., probate not date, will
filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
-
James Roche of P. P. Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork
-
James Roche , P. P., of Kinsale, will proved in Cork
1793 Thomas Roche, Thomas married Farrel, Eleanor; Nov 3rd both of
Camphire, P. of Lismore, Lismore Cathedral in Waterford.
1794
James Roche, born, son of Patrick Roche, gent., Co Monaghan.
Trinity 1814
James Roche of Three Bridges, Co. Kilkenny, admin. grant
Philip Roche, son of John, merch. March 8 (provision store), Ennis
Edward Roach (grandfather of future Archbishop Roche of NL) born
Borris, Co Carlow, migrated to NL in 1823. After 11 years in NL began
work as a servant of the government for 45 (56 total) years there -
obit. Edward was also paid for clearing snow around Government House
(Journal of the House of Assembly 1837), but his main duties were as
Gateman to the Colonial Governors. He married Catherine Meagher (Maher)
of Borrisoleigh, Co Tipp. in NL 7 Feb 1829. They had six children:
Mary 1830, Catherine 1831, Bridget 1834, Margaret 1837, Patrick 1842 and
Edward J. 1845. Edward J and his future wife Mary O'Reilly of Placentia
became the parents of anti-Confederate Archbishop Edward Patrick Roche
(1874-1950) and brother John T. who died while working as a newspaper
reporter in St. John's. Edward from Carlow died at Kings Rd, St. John's
18 Feb 1879 at age 85.
1795
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Miss Blanche Roche - Died - Jan 8 in Fras. St., Ennis
-
John Roche, brother of Patrick and Michael, died
-
George Tierney Roche, born, son of George Roche, gent., England.
Trinity 1812
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1795 Francis Roche of Carhue, gent., Admin. Bond Cork
-
1795 Hugh Roche, mariner, town of Cove, prerog. will filed, Cork
-
1795 John Roche of Lyrainne, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
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1796 Edmond Roche of Milebush, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork.
1797
Stephen Roche m. Eliza Large, Cloyne
Ulicke Roche of Scartaglenny, Kerry, will filed, Cork Thomas Roche and James Hickey killed yeoman Thomas Scammadon of
Cappoquin, Co Waterford on the road between Agliss & Clashmore (Nov.
12). They coerced John Keane, blacksmith, of Dromore to help remove the
body and keep the matter secret. He didn't.
1798 -
TROUBLE!
1798
William Roche of Youghal, Co Cork, prerog. will filed
Capt. James Roche, a local farmer, led the attack on Carlow - a total
catastrophe for the rebel forces on 25 May. Of two thousand who marched
on the town, about a third were lost. Some sought shelter in houses
on Tullow Street when the loyalist army appeared. The houses were set
alight and those who fled were shot or bayoneted; those who stayed
inside, burned. Others were shot in flight on the roads or in the fields
and were buried in shallow graves covered with quicklime.
Father Philip Roche of Tincurry (Ballycarney) who served as Parish
Priest at Gorey in North Wexford, led the Wexfordmen in many a battle in
'98. Philip was born in Monagrena near Boolavogue in the parish of
Monageer abt 1760 and was ordained in Wexford by Bishop
Caulfield on 17th May, 1785. His first appointment as curate was in
Ballyfad near Gorey. There he came into contact with the United Irishmen
in the early 1790s. When the rebellion broke out, Roche
immediately joined the insurgents, held the rank of colonel and
served on a committee of twelve that controlled the affairs of the
insurgent camp on Vinegar Hill (not our finest hour - too much
prisoners' blood spilled).
Roche replaced Protestant Baganel Harvey 7
June 1798 as Commander-in-Chief (after Harvey became distraught over the
excesses of the rebels). On hearing of the insurgent defeat at Vinegar
Hill on 21st June, Roche decided to surrender in Wexford town and to try
to obtain favourable terms for the insurgents. However, he was pulled
from his horse and dragged through the streets to jail. He was court-martialled
on 24th June, convicted and sentenced to be hanged. The following
morning at 11 o'clock Roche and eight others were executed on Wexford town
bridge.
There were several other Roche priests in Co Wexford at the time of
the rebellion:
----Redmond Roche in Crossabeg (brother of Colonel Edward Roche - below)
----James Roche in Wexford town, Chaplin to Bishop Dr. James Caulfield,
both apparently complicit in the slaughter of Protestant prisoners on
Wexford Bridge in mid-June.
----Edward Roche who was at Borris, Co Carlow and later killed in battle
at Scullagh-gap on the Wexford-Carlow border.
Colonel Edward Roche of Garrylough (Shelmalier East),
supposedly directly
descended from the Roches of Artramont, farmer and malster, also played
a large and almost forgotten role in '98. He and his followers took
poison in Newgate prison rather than give the enemy the satisfaction of
hanging them or worse. (Other reports say he had been sentenced to
transportation, but I suspect they understate the matter. Rebels were
often lashed first, up to a thousand times, and of course, died in agony). Not for nothing did these brave men decide to die at
their own hands.
Rev Colonel LeHunte, who had sworn
to change his religion to RC before Father James Roche in Wexford town, slipped through
the killing field on Wexford bridge after only a
roughing up. He owned Artramont at the time (near Wexford town). Artramont was the Roche family seat until Cromwell threw them
out and gave it to the Hunts in the 1640s. When the Hunte family later
sold off in modern times, the Roches took them to the British High Court
contesting their right to sell. The decision was that the Roche claim
had failed "due to the passage of time".
1799
Francis James Roche, born, son of Francis Roche, gent., Cork.
Trinity 1815
James Roche of Trelong, gent., Admin. Bond Cork
James Roche of Tralong, Will filed, Co Cork.
1800
Act of Union - Great Britain/Ireland
passed
1800
Thomas Roche of Moher died 6 Sept
Thomas Roche of Cork, gent., Admin. Bond
John Roche the elder, Town of Cove, prerogative will filed.
1801 - The Act of Union eliminated the
Irish Parliament and created the United Kingdom
1801
Sir William Roche, RC MP Limerick, founded Roche's Limerick Bank; it survived the banking crash of 1820 and later merged with the highly successful Provincial Bank of Ireland. He remained active in politics until retirement in 1841. Never married. Died 1850.
George Roche, born, son of William Roche, merch., Cork. Trinity 1819
Benjamin Roche, Fonthill, Co.Carlow - Prerogative Wills 1536-1810.
1802
James Roche of Killcloushy, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
Mary Roche born Barnahasken, Co Carlow, Ireland. Died 24 Oct 1890
in Holy Angels Cemetery, St. Thomas, Ont. Children were: William Breen,
Patrick (Paterick) Breen, John Breen, James Breen.
1803
Philip Roche of Lush's Hotel in Kildare St., Limerick, son of
Philip Roche Jr.
E. Roche esq., d. 7 May at Lyons, France, eldest son and heir of
Edw. Roche of Trabolgan
Philip Roche esq., son of late John Roche of Limerick, m. Hon. Anne
Plunkett, dau. of Rt. Hon. Lord Dunsany, at Cheltenham 11 Aug.
1804 Stephen Roche Jr., esq., oldest merch. city of
Limerick, Feb 12 died -- aged 80. He had helped establish ROCHE'S BANK.
James Roche, Naval officer, m. Mary Kelly, dau. of late Michael
Kelly of Glambrack, Co Galway, at Ennis - 13 Feb.
1805 James Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork Philip Roche of Kinsale, will filed, Co Cork William Roache of Cork, admin. grant
1806 Alexander James Roche of Dublin, admin. grant
1808 Roche banking family in Limerick opened their famous "hanging gardens" to the public.
Philip Roche of Limerick, esq., admin. grant
1809 Anne Roche of Cork, widow, Admin. Bond Francis Roche of Cork, clothier, Admin. Bond
1810 Benjamin Roche, born, son of Nicholas Roche, of Carlow. Grad
Trinity 1826.
1811 James Roche of Cork, will filed, Co Cork.
1812 John Roche m. Catherine Riordan - 10 May John Roche married Lydia Abbott in Cork City, Cork, Ireland. Known
children are: Dr. John Roche b. 1815; Mary b. 1826; Samuel Edward b.
1826; James Walter Douglas b. 1831; Edward b. 1834; Eleanore b. 1838.
The children all moved to England where they married and raised
families.
1813 John Roach, born Christmas Day in Mitchellstown, Cork. Son of
Patrick Roche and Abigail Meany. Later m. (1836) Emeline Johnson.
Naturalized US 1842. Shipbuilder. Died 10 Jan 1887.
1813 Edmond Roche of Ballynarsha, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, CofI, Cork.
1814 John Roche DESERTED from the Garrison at Placentia, NF, age 35, 5
ft. 7 ins., long visage, unable to speak English. Arrived on the Brig
"Mary" from Cove, Cork - 9 June. Edmund Roche DESERTED from the service of Dennis Noonan. Roche,
native of Waterford, Ireland, Labourer, came to Trinity, NF in the Brig
"Benjamin", 5 ft. 7 ins., pale complexion (sic), thin
features, wears Beaver hat - Apr. 28 Richard Roche of Knockaclorig, will filed, Cork.
1816 John Roche of Glenville, Admin. Bond Cork Joannem Roach b 27 May Adamstown Parish, Co Wexford to Michaelis
Roach and Maria Delaney of Ballvergin, Countril. This couple also had
Henricum 29 April 1813, Michael 26 November 1814 and Mary 2 April 1818
(male baby names in Latin, female in English). Joannum Roach b 17 August Adamstown Parish, Co Wexford to Gulielmio
Roach and Magreireto Roach of Ballvergin, Countril.
1817 John Roach born to Patrick and Mary Roach, 30 March, Ballon, Co
Carlow - sponsors James Heedon & Catherine Fitzpatrick (possible NF
connection through Edward - the Archbishop's grandfather).
1818
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Edward Roach, born to Patrick and Mary Roach, 13 August, Ballon,
Co. Carlow - sponsors James Tallon & Catherine Nolan - see brother
John above
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John Roach born to John Roach and Catherine Flemmin(g) of Old
Court, Co Wexford (Adamstown Parish), barony of Bantry, PLU New Ross.
This couple also had Thomas b 14 April 1814
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John Roche of Castletownroche, Admin. Bond Cloyne Diocese
-
David Roche of Lismealcanals, will filed, Cloyne Diocese,
C of I,
Cork
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Michael Roche of Doneraile, will filed, Cloyne Diocese,
C of I, Cork.
1819 Samuel Roche of Youghal, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, CofI, Cork.
George IV 1820-30
1819-1829...St. Patrick's College...Carlow Student Toll
----James Roche, Dublin 28 Sept 1818 - 1 July 1820
----H. Roche, Ferns Garrynisk, Blackwater Oct 1818 -1 July 1822.
----Rev. Nicholas Roche, (O.S.A.) 31 Oct 1821 - 1 July 1824
----Roche, Rev. M (Galway) 28 Sept 1824 -1 July 1825.
1820
Failure of Roche's Bank (and stoppage of Leslie's Bank
at Cork) causes banking crisis which spreads throughout Munster and then
to Dublin - May 25.
John Roche of Glandora, esq., Admin. Bond Cork
William Roche of Derryvilane, d. of. W., will filed, Cloyne
Diocese, C of I, Cork
Rev. George Roche, Vicar of Templemichael, married Sparrow Sarah,
Miss (of Belmont, Lismore Parish) April 26th 1821, Waterford
1821
-
John Roche of Carrigharla, farmer, Admin. Bond Cloyne Diocese
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John Roche of Sandville, lived in that
year
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William Roche of Killarney lived Kenmare
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Edward Roche of Killarney lived Kenmare
-
J. H. Roche of Killarney lived Cloyne 1822 March 10 Died -- Mar,
wife of John Roche esq. of Aghada House, Co Cork.
1823
William Ahern - executed for robbery at ROCHE'S of Aghada. Some
years previously, he had been transported for life when another death
sentence for sheep stealing had been commuted.
Richard Roche LIMERICK, SEPT. 27- A man named Daniel Mahony was
cutting rushes on the Commons in the Parish of Killeedy. An altercation
occurred between him and Roche respecting a right of boundary when
Mahony, armed with a scythe, struck and laid open the bowels of his
unfortunate opponent, killing him. An Inquest was held by John Cox, Esq.
Coroner, and a verdict given accordingly. The delinquent escaped
justice.
1824
David Roche of The Brickfields, Will filed, Co. Cork
1824 Pigot's Directory
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O.M. Roche, North Main
Street -
listed under Nobility, Gentry & Clergy
-
Thomas Roche, Deputy Governor, County Goal, Cork Road, Limerick
-
Thomas and William Roche, esqrs., Treasurers, Savings' Bank, Linen
Hall, Limerick
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Roche, David, Wholesaler, Brusnwick Street, Limerick
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Roche Thomas and William, Bankers, George's Street, Limerick
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Roche Martin, Wine Merchant, 2 George's Street, Limerick
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Roche, Stephen and John, Merchants -- Newtown-Mahon
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Roche David, Brunswick Street, Miller
Peter Roach: TO BE LET~CO GALWAY ~ From the First Day of May
next, for such Term, and in such Divisions, as may be agreed on, THE
LANDS OF KILCURRIFF, Estate of MARTIN J. LYNCH, Esq. ABOUT 400 Acres,
now let in Divisions, as follows: PARKALOMTOUGH, held by Mr. Peter
Roach; ANBALLYPARK, held by Pierre Blake, Esq; BARNPARK, held by John F.
Browne, Esq; COURSEPARK, held by Mr. Tim Silk. The above Lands are
situate in the Barony of Clare, mid-way between Tuam and Galway.
Proposals to be received by Mr. James Barrett, Athenry, (if by letter
post paid) who will close with the Tenant or Tenants when the value is
offered.
1825
George Roche, esq. later of Granagh Castle, Co Kilkenny, inherited the estates and representation of the Roches of Limerick when his brother died in 1825. This gentleman claimed the ancient Irish Peerage of Fermoy.
Source: A Genealogical and Heraldic History of The Commoners of Great Britain And Ireland Enjoying Territorial Possessions or High Official Rank: But Uninvested With Heritable Honours, History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland.
Note: He certainly had no monopoly on laying claim to the Fermoy Peerages.
1826
Anne Roche of Odorney, Kerry, will filed, Cork
1828
Garrett Roche of Knocknahorgan, Admin. Bond Cork
Ellen Roche, widow, of Loneraile, will filed, Cloyne Diocese,
C of I,
Cork
Garrett Roche of Knockhorgan, will filed, Co Cork
1829
Michael Roche - St.James Cemetery, Co Cork. Erected by Edmond Roche
of Churchtown to the memory of his father Michael Roche, died 29 March
1829 aged 48. Also his mother Charlotte G. Carpenter Roche died 4 Sept.
1875 aged 95 years. His daughter, Charlotte Roche, died 28 March 1870 aged
49 years.
1829 Michael Roche of Cork, butter merch., Admin. Bond.
William IV 1830-37
1829 - Catholic Emancipation Act
lifts penalties on RCs and Presbyterians
1831
Rev. Patrick Roche of P. P. of Odorney, will filed, Cork
1832
The great personal popularity in Limerick of DANIEL O'CONNELL
(1775-1847), his positions in the 1832 election campaign on Repeal of
the Union with England and the abolition of the tithe tax ensured the
election of his political candidates, David and William Roche.
1833
Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Wales reported that at Butter
Hill, formerly a grange belonging to Pill Priory, there was again a family
named Roch, said to be descended from Adam de Rupe [this
would have been through the marriage of a daughter - is at all]. The Manor House at
Butter Hill was built in the early 19th Century by a George Roch and
later extended by his son William Francis (Roch). Consistent with the
above, in 1830, the local population included:
GENTRY AND CLERGY
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Roch George, esq. Butter hill
-
Roch Rev. William, Butter hill
Rev. John Roche of Abinagh P. P., Admin. Bond Cloyne Diocese
Redmond Roche of Mountleader, Cork, will filed, Cork
Edmond Roche of Killuntin, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
(Memorial of will) will dated 1822.
1835
John Roche of Moullane, Smith, Admin. Bond Cloyne Diocese.
Victoria 1837-1901
1837
James Roche of Moneen, Castletownroche, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
1838
Mary Roche of Cork, widow, Admin. Bond.
1838 - Poor relief for Ireland enacted
1838
Protestant, David Roche, MP (1791-1865) a member of the Limerick milling family that lived at Carass, Croom was elevated to the Peerage (Baron), as was William - unrelated - in 1838. He served as Limerick MP until his resignation in 1844.
George Roche (Mayor and MP for Limerick in
the early 1700s) had a son and grandson, both called David, who
represented Limerick in parliaments in Dublin and, after the Union, in
London. David was a supporter, with the Duke of Wellington, of Catholic
Emancipation and became the close parliamentary supporter of Daniel
O'Connell.
Sir David Roche of Carass, Co Limerick and
Barnetick, Co. Clare
succeeded his father as Magistrate for the County and MP for Limerick. His wife was Frances, dau of John Ormsley Vandeleur of
Maddinstown, Co Kildare, Colonel of the 5th Dragoon Guards. Their children were - David (b 1833), Frances (deceased), Alice and
Elizabeth.
In 1838, the ROCHE Arms were "CREATED",
read "re-created", in slightly modified form, having been long
dormant. David was
know for his opposition to the Corn Laws in relation to the Famine after
he had left parliament. In 1846, Prime Minister Robert Peel quoted from a
letter of his at length in the House of Commons in London which swayed the
vote for abolition. David Sr lived till April, 1865 and was succeeded his
son as second Baronet - Rosetts.
1839
Thomas Roche, farmer, of Killmarrihur, Brosna, will filed, Cork
William Roche of Derrylahan, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, Co Cork.
1840-50 The Great Famine
1841
Thomas Roche of Killmanihan, Kerry, will filed, Cork.
1842
John Roche, farmer of Kilmarrihan, will filed, Cork.
1844
Maurice Roche of Ahane, Brosna, Kerry, will filed, Cork.
1845
Michael Roche m. Libby Kelly 11-2-1845, Ruchane at Ballintober
Patrick Roche, aged 65 , brother Francis Roche died 1847 aged 63.
Mologga Cemetery, Co. Cork.
1847
James Jeffrey Roche born (1847-1908). He was a journalist and poet,
went to the US as a child, wrote for and became editor of The Boston
Pilot, and became American Minister to Switzerland shortly before
his death.
1848
Captain ROCHE, a relative of the Liberator, Daniel O'CONNELL
collected his body at Birkenhead (near Liverpool, England). The
O'CONNELL family had every confidence in Roche who met Rev. Dr. MILEY to
arrange the funeral 5 August 1848. In 1845, O'Connell had been unable to
persuade Parliament to deal with the Irish Famine. A sick man by March
1847, he decided on a pilgrimage to Rome. In Paris, he was hailed as the
"most successful champion of liberty and democracy in Europe".
O'Connell never completed his journey and died in Genoa 15 May 1847. His
heart was buried in Rome and his body in Dublin - as he had wanted.
David Roche of Legg, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork
Patrick Roche, will filed, Cloyne Diocese, C of I, Cork.
1849
Thomas Roche of Lackbane, Castleisland, will filed, Cork
William Vale married Mary Roche 6 March at Fermoy - her Father was
James Roche. They later sailed to Australia
1850
Canon James Roche became PP of Wexford where he ministered until
his death on March 14th, 1883. He is credited with leading the effort to
build two of the city's churches...the Church of the Assumption and the
Church of the Immaculate Conception. During a visit to Rome in 1854, he
obtained from Pope Pius IX an Apostolic Blessing for those who had made,
or would make, donations to support the project.
1850 Dublin City Directory:
Roache
Roach
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Miss Anne, 7 Mountjoy place Upper (occupancy not listed)
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D. James, 1 Percy place (Esq.)
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Henry, 9 Haddington terrace (occup not listed)-spelt Roche in general
listing
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John Edmond, 5 Mespil, Upper Leeson St and 34 College green (solicitor)
Mrs., 34 Merchant's quay (occup not listed)
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Nicholas, 29 Bridgefoot St (huxter)-spelt Roche in general listing
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Thomas, 6 Linenhall St (slater and builder)
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Thomas, 27 Braithwaite St (provision dealer)
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William, 5 Mespil place (solicitor)
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William, 7 Upper Pembroke St (solicitor)-spelt Roche in general listing
Roche
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Brothers and Co., 30 Eden quay (American merchants)
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Alexander, 14 Beresford St (slater)
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Henry, 7 Anglesea St (solicitor)
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Henry, 9 Haddington terrace (occup not listed)-spelt Roach in street
listing
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James, 116 Townsend St (provision dealer)
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Jordan, 11 Hardwicke place (Esq.)
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Michael, 1 Castle St (licensed tobacconist)
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Mrs., 17 Jervis St (occup not listed)
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Nicholas, 29 Bridgefoot St (huxter)-spelt Roach in street listing
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Patrick, 10 Castle St (merchant and military tailor)
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Sarah, 69 Grafton St (baby linen warehouse)
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Thomas, 6 Thomas St (green grocer)
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William, 7 Upper Pembroke St (solicitor)-spelt Roach in street listing
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William and Co., 60 Upper Abbey St (wine merchants and insurance agents)
1851
Alice Roach/Roche m Patrick Sutton, Scartnamoe March 25. Witnessed
by Anastatia Roche & William Cooke Parish of Glenmore, Kilkenny.
Children were all born in Slieverue, Drumdowney.
1852
Although Limerick Mayor, William Lane Joynt, was credited with founding the Limerick Athenaeum, a literary, scientific, artistic and educational institution, 1852, among it's co-founders were Thomas Roche, brother of MP, William (above), and Thomas' son William.
Martin Roche of Kingwilliamstown, will filed, Cork.
1854
Mary Roche of Castleisland, will filed, Cork.
1856
Edmund Burke Roche of
Trabolgan, Co Cork is elevated to the Peerage of Ireland (created
Baron Fermoy) again using the traditional arms, modified, but essentially the same as those
adopted by David Roche of Carass, Co Limerick and Barnetick, Co Clare
in 1838.
Lady Diana was the direct descendant of Edmund Burke Roche on her
mother's side. Burke's Peerage reports that these Roches descend from
merchant Philip of Trabolgan, Co Cork who (1554) purchased a portion of
the old Fermoy estate from Gerald, Lord Kinsale. Gentlemen's Magazine,
September 1855, has it that reference should be made to Maurice Roche of
Trabolgan, Mayor of Cork in the reign of Elizabeth I (1563).
This branch may be linked to one with different arms
(and they called themselves
"Carrigh" for rock in Gaelic). In "Ancient Armorial
Carving at Cork", September, 1855, Richard Caulfield writes that a
complete account of this family's pedigree may only be available by
examining the MSS presented by Queen Elizabeth I to Maurice Roche, Mayor
of Cork in the 16th century. But they were never associated historically
with Fermoy until modern times. In fact, a "new" peerage was
created - as baron, not viscount - and it was not considered an extension of
the previous one.
Charles ROCHE, Esq., appointed a captain in the Cavan Militia.
1857
Note: Until 1857,
there were two types of 'Courts' dealing with wills and administrations,
the Consistorial and the Prerogative. The
Consistorial Court dealt with 'local' wills and deeds - those relating
to property/land within the boundary of a diocese only.
The
Prerogative Court dealt with wills or administration bonds if they
involved property worth more than £5 in a second diocese. So
- it would have been used by people who
were relatively wealthy and who owned property in two or more Dioceses
These courts also had the power to grant
letters of Administration to next of kin or the main creditor on the
estates of those who died intestate (without a will).The
Prerogative Court was the responsibility of the Archbishop of Armagh.
In 1857, the Probate Act took away the testamentary authority of the
Church of Ireland. Afterwards,there was a Principal Registry in Dublin and eleven District Registries. The rules and administration remained much the same. The Principal Registry was equivalent to the Prerogative Court (but it also covered Dublin and a large area around it).
Source: Irish Researcher, Jane Lyons
David Roche, farmer, Dulague, will filed, Cork.
1861
Nicholas Roche, a tenant farmer, died - a member of the Catholic or
Land Leagues - he sat on one of the League Branches resulting from the
introduction of the Poor Law Union System in 1838.
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