interview with helen hall
conversation with brian carroll of
sept. 26-27th, 2007, minneapolis, minnesota
recorded & transcribed, published 11/07

/ part 1 / part 2 / part 3 /

Tesla 'mystery' quote

bc:  how does the aether relate to art?

hh:  to art?

bc:  like certain (kinds of) blanket or basket weaving with symbols of spirals, i wonder - are these referencing, when they reference energy - are they referencing the aether? cultural symbols. do you think 'the spiral' references the vortex?

hh:  yes, i think it does.

bc:  is this the most primitive, ancient, or extra-terrestrial of...

hh:  i really think it is. you know, i was at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts earlier today, [35] and i wrote something down that was from, there's an Egyptian tomb...

bc:  actual coffin? {yes}... i know which one you're talking about...

hh:  yes, and in the inscription describing that piece they say that the Egyptians believed in this energy called 'ka' - which is the life-spirit. [36] and they believed that the life-spirit of the person was preserved through their embalmed body. and this is why they had such elaborate funeral rituals, because it was honoring and preserving the basic life energy or spirit. which, i think, and again, i should probably look into this, but i think this is probably the same as a universal energy too.

bc:  but i don't see how you can relate 'ka' to aether, just as equivalent, i mean, i don't understand...

hh:  i think that this energy permeates everything, on many different levels.

bc:  okay, let's get to something more fundamental...

what is the relationship between being and the aether? are they equivalent or does being function within this medium of the aether - is it some organization within the aether? and you mentioned music in terms of organization -- is everything that exists some form of organization in the aether?

hh:  yes.

bc:  and how does music relate to that, then?

hh:  i think music both reflects it and is accessing / disturbing it. i think music creates vibrations which disturb and interact with the aether.

bc:  so, does it establish itself through organization? this aether...

hh:  it does. i think it makes itself available to us, through organization. and i think there's certain principles that can organize it.

bc:  such as harmony and scale and proportion and things like this?

hh:  yes, yes...

bc:  so my question is; so what is the relation between aether and religion? is that why there is religion - to explain it?

hh:  i think it's always been a concept in religion, in various religions.

bc:  how does it relate to 'spirit'?

hh:  it's often equivalent to 'spirit'.

bc:  hmm. but what you're saying is the aether is a medium. so 'spirit' is not the medium itself, though...

hh:  no, but 'spirit' interacts with the aether...

bc:  i mean, "spirit" quote unquote. whatever that might be, you know... the concept. {uh-hm}

and so, when you talk about the aether, it sounds like things are manifest through and with and within this realm.

hh:  yes.

bc:  i mentioned previously the Japanese concept of space of the 'ma', {yes}, as it could be related to the idea of 'filled' space... i.e. it's not necessarily empty -- 'the void' is not (entirely) void. 'the vacuum' is not a (total) vacuum.

hh:  it's not a vacuum, it's filled with energy. [37]

bc:  and so, what you have said previously is that the aether is a structure within the vacuum. {yes} or it's a more fundamental...

hh:  yes, it's a level of structure within what is perceived as the physical vacuum of space.

bc:  and so on top of that you have particles, waves, atoms, light, and electromagnetism...

hh:  yes...

bc:  yet, it would be possible in a realm of multiple universes - if there were different dimensions or if there were different physics even, that the aether would be constant, in the way it connects the different realms... is that an accurate statement?

hh:  yes.

bc:  and so you could have any number of things that would be different [in each universe] but they could be mediated by this fundamental structure, [the aether], that contains them.

hh:  yes. and when you say the aether's relationship to religion, my understanding is that there was a time - and again it's really hard to generalize - but in Western science there was a time when science and religion were in agreement... and then they became further apart over issues like this - the existence of this energy that couldn't be measured and described... or proven to exist.

// end of the main interview session;
// follow-up question on highway overpass...

bc:  okay, so what were you just saying, you were saying...

hh:  i said, i was having a hard time putting my ideas into words, expressing / articulating what was driving me to make this film, and what was the whole, underlying motivation for the research; and i realize that what's driving me to do this is the fact that this is really true, there is (scientific) truth to what Tesla discovered about this energy that exists all around us. and these 'new energy' experiments all over the world are evidence, over and over again, and everything that's being discovered from astrophysics to biophysics - they're finding evidence of this aetheric energy and they're starting to develop the instruments that can measure it. and it's been known about for thousands of years, it's just that in the past, in (western science of) the 20th century it was discarded as a notion, but, it's always been there.

bc:  discarded or denied?

hh:  well, both. denied and then discarded i guess.

bc:  so is this almost a religious issue?

hh:  it can be considered a religious issue because it functioned in the realm of religion, when religion and science were considered to be aspects of the same truth, until science went too far off into abstraction, and away from realities (such as existence of the aether) that couldn't be measured or proven, scientifically.

// final interview session...

bc:  so, Helen, what is the relationship between quantum-level stuff and the aether - is it the same as electromagnetism, in terms of what's going on?

hh:  i don't understand the question.

bc:  well you say electromagnetism is not the aether. are quantum events any closer to the aether? that approach... which seems to be a layer further down... [38]

hh:  my understanding is that there is an aspect of the electromagnetic wave -- that there are three components, and that it's possible to access the energy of the aether by separating two other components and then you're left with the one that's the element of the aether. i don't know if that's any closer to explaining it...

bc:  do you know what those two things are?

hh:  well, if you look at a wave - a sine tone - there's a positive phase (peak) and a negative phase (valley) and then there's a zero, ground state. [39] and it's through the ground state that the energy of the aether can be tapped into. i don't have a clearer understanding than that. that's how i understand it.

bc:  so my question is, when you get to something like experience of space and time in this universe or this experience, where it's built upon electromagnetic perception via the physiology of nervous systems...

is space and time even related to the aether, or does it breakdown at the aether? is it something that is defined atop the aether?

hh:  i think at some point it's going to be understood that space and time are the aether.

bc:  and so, that these may be ways of mediating the aeth... you know, this medium?

hh:  yes.

bc:  so it could change from place to place or universe to universe?

hh:  i think that's possible.

bc:  what were you saying about your work or how you approach this or how you got into this?

hh:  oh, i was saying that one of my greatest motivations for exploring this subject has been my own sensitivity to artificial electromagnetic fields such as those created by powerlines and microwaves, computers, etc. [40]

and i became completely convinced that there was something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of our relationship to nature... because, in the science there didn't seem to be any consideration of the adverse effects of electromagnetic fields on living (human) organisms. [41]

and yet this was something that Tesla understood: he did a lot of experiments on himself using electricity and he had a lot of knowledge and understanding of both the adverse and healing qualities of electrical currents. [42] also, because the existing system of alternating current is based on what is essentially his high-voltage system, he wasn't satisfied with it... he believed there were much better ways to transmit and use energy.

Lakhovsky multiwave oscillator

bc:  so how does Tesla's wireless transmission of energy translate into acoustic principles? [43]

hh:  it's based on principles of resonance and vibration...

bc:  how is power transmitted through the ionosphere, based on what approach?

hh:  well, it's using the Earth-ionosphere cavity as a kind of circuit. [44]

bc:  and so the ground, something with the ground, in terms of frequency or resonance?

hh:  yes.

bc:  so what's he do with the ground?

hh:  Tesla discovered that the resonant frequency of the earth is 7.8 hertz, which is now known as the Schumann resonance [45] -- so what he's doing is basically working with activating the resonant frequency of an object so that it vibrates sympathetically -- so he's vibrating the earth by sending pulses - very short pulses at 7.8 hertz - to set it in motion, and then creating harmonics off of that. [46]

this amplified the natural standing waves of the Earth-ionosphere cavity and set them in motion, and then he tapped into this resonant energy of the Earth.

bc:  is the ionosphere also being related to at 7.8 hertz, then?

hh:  the ionosphere has frequencies that are, in terms of musical principles, harmonics. [47]

bc:  so they're octaves above or something?

hh:  yes, that's right.

bc:  and that's where the movement starts?

hh:  yes. {and that creates a type of circuit...}

bc:  and so - wireless transmission of power... is it the transmission of power or is it the tapping into power?

hh:  it's really the tapping into...

bc:  so you don't have to go from transmitter to receiver - the transmitter is the receiver.

hh:  yes. (in the sense that both are grounded in the earth and when one oscillates, the other oscillates sympathetically since both are tuned to the same resonant frequency.)

bc:  because that's what i don't understand, i haven't understood that. i thought it was about moving power from point A to point B.

and instead you're saying it's about tapping (into) a difference in power that is then moving an electromagnetic engine, motor, or generator, right? so it is the harnessing of electromagnetic fields based on this (dynamic and destabilized) aetheric movement?...

hh:  yes.

bc:  i mean... the aetheric isn't necessarily fields, it is like (an) acoustic structure or something, but it can be brought into a state of disequilibrium...

hh:  that's right.

bc:  and then, by doing that, it's like electrons flowing - that's current, so it gets some kind of current moving... [49]

hh:  yes.

bc:  that's motive power.

hh:  it's essentially setting something in motion that exists naturally, and then tapping into it.

bc:  and so to apply that power in this world, you'd still put it into an engine by hooking it up to electromagnetic-wound... [generator or motor]

hh:  yes, and then it would be used to run machinery and that sort of thing, yes.

bc:  but the power being tapped, is it orders of magnitude different than the type of power gotten from an electrochemical battery then?

hh:  my understanding is that it is, and that it's absolutely limitless.

bc:  so in movies, is this the type of power that is being tapped? like when a sci-fi movie has plasma weapons - is that the same thing, or is it a different concept altogether? i mean is it quote unquote "The Force"?... [50]

hh:  i think it's... (laughs) - it could be. it's very possible. a lot of these concepts also exist in a lot of computer games and that sort of thing. and certain forms of literature.

bc:  like what?

hh:  gothic sort of stuff. if you look at the aether as a concept, it exists in a kind of gothic underworld, too.

[the end]

– notes, part 3 –

[35]  Minneapolis Institute of Arts

[36]  Egyptian soul - Ka

[37]  vacuum energy

zero-point energy

[38]  bc:  this attempts to get at the issue of defining 'electricity' at the scale of the 'electron' for the flow of charge, versus incorporating the interactions of other charged fundamental particles at smaller scales (or across scales) which compose physical matter, which could call into question this model or conceptualization. e.g. string-theory and charge.

[39]  sine wave

Ground state

[40]  A Primer On Electromagnetic Sensitivity
by Michael P. Milburn, PhD. Winter 1997

"It is ironic that the first reported case of electrical sensitivity was that of Nikola Tesla, the Croatian-born American electrical engineer who played a crucial role in the development of modern electronics."

[41]  Bioelectromagnetics

[42]  hh note:  Tesla discovered certain high frequencies have medical applications and subsequently developed technologies for the sterilization of wounds, electro-surgery, and whole-body heating or 'diathermy'.

also, a standard international unit of measurement was named after Tesla to honour his discovery of the rotating magnetic field in 1882. The 'Tesla unit' is used in MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) machines to measure the strength of the magnetic field. 1 Tesla = 10,000 gauss.

[43]  Wireless energy transfer

[44]  The Earth-ionosphere cavity

Atmospheric electricity #Earth-Ionosphere_cavity

[45]  Schumann resonance

[46]  Tesla also discovered that alpha brain wave frequencies (7-12 Hz) are in resonance with the 7.8 Hz frequency of the earth's magnetic field. i.e. brain wave frequencies in what is known as the 'apha region' are in phase, or resonance, with the earth - which could be why we are drawn to natural environments such as oceans and forests."

[47]  Harmonic series

[48]  in other words, electromagnetic lines-of-force are geometrically aligned with the movement of a destabilized aetheric vortice, which brings these elements into phase and shared resonance.

[49]  this potential for harnessing aetheric movement in a universal medium to do work (i.e. power source) directly relates to the concepts of the 'aetheric wind' or 'aetheric ocean' - where fluid motion is captured by an aetheric windmill, paddle wheel or waterwheel constructed to interact with and engage this flow via alignment of electric and magnetic lines of force.

[50] Force (Star Wars)